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lulbby, why u jelly i didn't do it

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She is not that different from Season one Buffy

Yes she is. Dawn is baby. She barely qualifies as a teenager. She screams like a baby when she doesn't get her will. Buffy was somewhat responsible for her own action. Dawn lacks any kind of this. She never ever gets blamed for anything or get called on anything. One time, for about 2 minutes when Anya finds out that she is a thief and have been stealing from her, Anya calls her out on it(obviously). But the fact that it had to be Anya that had to do it is lame. Anyway, later that episode it is all forgotten and a couple of episodes later Buffy takes Dawn shopping to joke about how she is stealing stuff. Buffy S1 or pre-buffy(we know way to little about her to know similarities) is way different than her. 

And also she is so fucking stupid. Litterally. Throughout (atleast S5-6) the seasons, we are told what a sharp mind she has, blablabla. But we never ever see her sharp mind in action. She repeatedly does immensly stupid things. In one her first episode(if not the first) Dawn tells us that she love school(implying she is also good at it, which is later stated she is, and later said she has a bright and smart head) but in that very first episode, she invites in a vampire, and goes outside in the dark, knowing vampires outside want Buffy dead, and get Anya sent in the hospital for helping her(with no repercussion for Dawn, i might add). Dawn repeatedly does this throughout the series. It's like with Star Wars(prequels). We get told a lot how great friends Obi Wan and Anakin is, but we pretty much see nothing about them that would make us think they were any more than colleagues, who are fighting. Same with Dawn. We get tolled A LOT that she is clever and whatnot, but she constantly does everything possible to contradict these numerous statements. 

And Dawn is unbelieveable sad as well. The friend thing. 

Also for some reason, Whedon thought it would be a good idea to erase daytime whenever Dawn want to hang with friends. Everytime Dawn is gonna hang with friends, there seems to be a law that says that it has to be at nighttime. Not once, has Dawn been going out when the sun is still up. This give Buffy reason to not let her out, because of Dawn's *cough* amazing *cough* trackrecord with being outside. The conflictmaking is transparent at best. 

And then the teenager thing. Why did Whedon has to make a shallow teen? I mean really, it is stupid. He could have made a sister that had an actual brain, and not someone that makes the viewers puke. Just like i don't want to watch Godfrey from GoT(except when he gets smacked) or Connor from ATS(except when he get smacked) i don't wanna watch a brat teenager/(baby at numrous occations)(except when she gets smacked).

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Ok just go googlechrome as browser, and clearly it doesn't agree with the layout.

 

 

She is not that different from Season one Buffy

Yes she is. Dawn is baby. She barely qualifies as a teenager. She screams like a baby when she doesn't get her will. Buffy was somewhat responsible for her own action. Dawn lacks any kind of this. She never ever gets blamed for anything or get called on anything. One time, for about 2 minutes when Anya finds out that she is a thief and have been stealing from her, Anya calls her out on it(obviously). But the fact that it had to be Anya that had to do it is lame. Anyway, later that episode it is all forgotten and a couple of episodes later Buffy takes Dawn shopping to joke about how she is stealing stuff. Buffy S1 or pre-buffy(we know way to little about her to know similarities) is way different than her. 

And also she is so fucking stupid. Litterally. Throughout (atleast S5-6) the seasons, we are told what a sharp mind she has, blablabla. But we never ever see her sharp mind in action. She repeatedly does immensly stupid things. In one her first episode(if not the first) Dawn tells us that she love school(implying she is also good at it, which is later stated she is, and later said she has a bright and smart head) but in that very first episode, she invites in a vampire, and goes outside in the dark, knowing vampires outside want Buffy dead, and get Anya sent in the hospital for helping her(with no repercussion for Dawn, i might add). Dawn repeatedly does this throughout the series. It's like with Star Wars(prequels). We get told a lot how great friends Obi Wan and Anakin is, but we pretty much see nothing about them that would make us think they were any more than colleagues, who are fighting. Same with Dawn. We get tolled A LOT that she is clever and whatnot, but she constantly does everything possible to contradict these numerous statements. 

And Dawn is unbelieveable sad as well. The friend thing. 

Also for some reason, Whedon thought it would be a good idea to erase daytime whenever Dawn want to hang with friends. Everytime Dawn is gonna hang with friends, there seems to be a law that says that it has to be at nighttime. Not once, has Dawn been going out when the sun is still up. This give Buffy reason to not let her out, because of Dawn's *cough* amazing *cough* trackrecord with being outside. The conflictmaking is transparent at best. 

And then the teenager thing. Why did Whedon has to make a shallow teen? I mean really, it is stupid. He could have made a sister that had an actual brain, and not someone that makes the viewers puke. Just like i don't want to watch Godfrey from GoT(except when he gets smacked) or Connor from ATS(except when he get smacked) i don't wanna watch a brat teenager/(baby at numrous occations)(except when she gets smacked).

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Well nothing to do, no matter how many spaces i put;(

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and Dawn wasn't.

Dawn got that depth mid S5 when we got an actual reason for her actions and her wish to prove herself real.

Yes she is. Dawn is baby.

And so was Buffy before her parents divorced and she got the slayer destiny. Dawn is created out of Buffy, out of her persionality, out of herself. She is differently looking buffy,minus S1-S5 tragedies that's why buffy's death worked in S5.

Buffy was somewhat responsible for her own action 

Only up to degree, blaming herself for parents divorce and due to survivor's guilt revealed in hospital episode. Those two things are what drove her responsibility but in itself she was always ego-centric person and woul justify her actions and hipocrisies with most ridiculous ideas.

She never ever gets blamed for anything or get called on anything.

Which is the point of the show and Dawn's S6 journey.

Her only bonds, the things that are established in S5 to DEFINE her (since her memories being fake) are ignoring her with their own problems.

Her own sister, her only connection with whom she had such a strong bond in S5 is antagonizing her and hurting her and ignoring her and doing gods know what.

Thats Dawn's journey in S6, with her insecurities and dealing with her finaly being JUST normal being S7 journey.

Anyway, later that episode it is all forgotten and a couple of episodes later Buffy takes Dawn shopping to joke about how she is stealing stuff. 

 which is the point. Buffy is going the wrong way at trying to connect. Only in Grave, Buffy empathically embraces dawn and returns her feelings. 

Buffy S1 or pre-buffy(we know way to little about her to know similarities) is way different than her.  

Very wrong.

The very first scene we see that buffy meeting her first watcher, what does she say?

"Are you from police? Because I meant to pay for that lipstick, I really did and..."

Between that and S1 end, Buffy gains A LOT of psychological bagage, her parents put her into mental hospital for a month, get divorced, she gets booted out of school, forced to deal with her destiny, etc.

first seasons Buffy is Dawn, but far more mental bagage and problems

ANd then S1 happens and buffy gets a strong personality shift and a huge dose of cynnism.

 In one her first episode(if not the first) Dawn tells us that she love school(implying she is also good at it, which is later stated she is, and later said she has a bright and smart head) but in that very first episode, she invites in a vampire, and goes outside in the dark, knowing vampires outside want Buffy dead, and get Anya sent in the hospital for helping her(with no repercussion for Dawn, i might add).

*facepalm*

and you apparantly missed the whole point of that?

It showcases dissociation between MEMORY and INSTINCT. not inviting vampires in is a honed instinct. You can REMEMBER it but still slip. Others have lived through those years. Dawn is few months old with fake memories and its part of all that.

She even becomes completely disillusioned with school once aware of her fake memories and thats part of why she is fascinating. 

 We get told a lot how great friends Obi Wan and Anakin is, but we pretty much see nothing about them that would make us think they were any more than colleagues, who are fighting. Same with Dawn. 

Except not. Show does not excuse dawn's actions, just like show did not excuse Buffy's resurrection from the very first second it happened, even though the whole cast did. in S6 SHE WANTS to get punished because it would make others acknowledge her EXISTENCE.

And she already has a lot of complexes about existing, considering the nature of her existence.

Everytime Dawn is gonna hang with friends, there seems to be a law that says that it has to be at nighttime. Not once, has Dawn been going out when the sun is still up. This give Buffy reason to not let her out, because of Dawn's *cough* amazing *cough* trackrecord with being outside.

Everytime=Once, you mean? :)

And well, yeah, most of teenage life is in evenings. Its not Mystic Falls, she does go to school and all that other stuff :)

And then the teenager thing. Why did Whedon has to make a shallow teen?  

Because thats how most of teenagers are and thats how BUFFY was. Both Buffy and Dawn represent unrefined potential. Buffy is general in the making through the show, till she actively assumes that role. Same with Dawn, hence being competent and brave in times of crisis.  

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Dawn is created out of Buffy

This was Buffy's theory? The munk never said "made out of you", the munk said "made human" .

not inviting vampires in is a honed instinct. 

No it's common sense

And i wouldn't go as far as saying Dawn is fake. She is horrible and insufferable, but not fake.

Everytime=Once, you mean? :) 

It happens a lot

Except not. Show does not excuse dawn's actions

It was just an example off how the show state Dawn is smart, but nothing she ever does or says back that up

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This was Buffy's theory? The munk never said "made out of you", the munk said "made human" .

It was a hope of suicidal woman(buffy), but its confirmed as correct and has been quite obvious considering the similarities in their behavior.

No it's common sense And i wouldn't go as far as saying Dawn is fake.

KNOWING its bad is a common sense.

NOT slipping the words that woudl let them in is a honed instinct.  Thats what Dawn does NOT have.

Dawn's memories are fake. What defines her is her interactions with everyone and her present time, hence why she seeks attention. For Dawn, she is as real as people acknowledging her believe her to be.  

It was just an example off how the show state Dawn is smart, but nothing she ever does or says back that up

Show does not. Characters did based on the fake memories.  Dawn has CAPABILITY to be very damn smart considering she is made out of Buffy, but the opinion about her BEING smart is somethign that was created. 

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Show does not. Characters did based on the fake memories.  Dawn has CAPABILITY to be very damn smart considering she is made out of Buffy, but the opinion about her BEING smart is somethign that was created. 

Yes, show does. And again, it's not confirmed, it's a theory that Buffy expressed as facts because she can feel her physically or some bs like that. And it's not an opinion made by Buffy or the scoobies. It's something people says. Dawn says it, school people says it.  So yes, show does.

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Mixed up post.

 

The thing that Dawn is made out of Buffy, isn't confirmed, it's a theory of Buffy's. It makes sense, but no one with the actual knowledge of the spell performed, says "made out of big sis".

 

 

Show does say it, but fail to show it. Exactly like the "friendship" between Obi Wan and Anakin. We are told they are besties, but they bicker and whine about each other behind eachothers back all the time. We are told Dawn is clever and has a sharp mind, but she does stupid things.

 

NOT slipping the words that woudl let them in is a honed instinct.

 

And no, it isn't a honed instinct. It's common sense to not say the words that would let a vampire in. 

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