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Dancing-eyes

But I want Caroline to accept all sides of him not just the charming side. If he can't be real with her then it's not worth it

This basically.and i want her to get a little dark too,not lose her light completely or become ripper2.0 but explore her darkness and mature a little.And i don't think she can do this while being with Tyler,i kind of want a mentor prodigy relationship first ,like explore what being a vampire truly means than a truly romatic one.

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Cbsn

But I want Caroline to accept all sides of him not just the charming side. If he can't be real with her then it's not worth it.

 

With this...the writers would need to change the characterization of Caroline a little without making her look like a total flake. This is indicative of the "ideal" that they can allow something..eg. an event in her life could alter her perspective on crossing the line between what is morally considered right and what is morally considered wrong. A good writer would know how to do this.

 

 

The example I gave above works if the writers want to keep Caroline the same. According to Writer's Digest, some characters can remain the same but develop different goals and objectives in life. This is a possibility as well.

 

 

Though I think despite the cuteness, Klaus will always be Klaus and he will always ship himself. I don't for a moment believe when push come to shove Klaus would be willing to lose everything for Caroline. He will still hold hostages and arm twist people to do his bidding.

 

 

 

 

The example I gave above has NOTHING to do with changing Klaus. It is about the effectiveness of the writing. A good villain can manipulate without showing his hand all the time.

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Cbsn

In layman's terms for those who do not understand my point: There are 2 ways they can write Klaroline. I just gave both. Either the writers change the characterization of Caroline or the writers keep her the same and delve deeper into the manipulation of a true villain.

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Veetayt
Well if they let Caroline do the whole dark exploration it will be Elena all over again, it kind of doesn't fly well. But they can just make Caroline accept Klaus for who he is and what he's done than for her to try to change him or vice versa. If they can pick it from there its kinda cool. I don't think the writers initially wanted Klaroline to go this far but I guess they saw the popularity and the growing fanbase, so they might as well exploit it now. I don't think they have a solid plan concerning Klaroline yet, I think it's still largely depending on how the audience react to them. However the trick is how are they going to diffrentiate Delena from Klaroline if they want something out of it.
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Cbsn
Well if they let Caroline do the whole dark exploration it will be Elena all over again, it kind of doesn't fly well. But they can just make Caroline accept Klaus for who he is and what he's done than for her to try to change him or vice versa.

 

 

 

The writing must have consistency. Caroline (the one who lived by a specific moral code) would never truly accept Klaus unless the writers show a change in her "moral" position. This most of the time does not happen in writing without a reason. It must have implied justification for happening. Plec has done a terrible job with that one so far.

 

 

 

Again...the suggestions I made does not change Klaus; it creates the ideal that he could become a better villain through effective manipulation. There's a difference.

 

 

 

Also, if the writers allowed Caroline to accept Klaus without justification, she will look like a total flake and completely OOC.

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Dancing-eyes

I don't for a moment believe when push come to shove Klaus would be willing to lose everything for Caroline

He did agree to give up his hybrid for a date with Caroline tho(even if he was an unsired one,he still hasn't killed Tyler despite it),it depends on how they develop it really.is it just an infatuation or something more.There is a lot of room for exploring all this.i personally hope they what started as an infatuation grows into a friendship of sorts and then make them a couple.thats the only way it will make sense.

 

Well if they let Caroline do the whole dark exploration it will be Elena all over again, it kind of doesn't fly well

I don't think it will,coz Caroline is a fleshed out character with a sense of whats right and wrong,whereas Elena is a cardboard cut out moron whose only concern in life is the Salvatore triangle.You know, i've always thought that Caroline kind of handled all the torture n the crap thats happend to her past year very calmly.There has to be a breaking point.she just takes and takes and takes everything and shoves it down,what happens when she finally snaps and loses it.That will be a very good opportunity for her to say FU to the MF gang and go off on her own to explore her darker self.Like i said,it could happen but the TVD writers aren't very competent to make all this real and believeable,that why i think KC is going to ruin both Caroline and Klaus eventually

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Cbsn
I don't think it will,coz Caroline is a fleshed out character with a sense of whats right and wrong,whereas Elena is a cardboard cut out moron whose only concern in life is the Salvatore triangle

 

 

LOL So true.

 

 

 

You know, i've always thought that Caroline kind of handled all the torture n the crap thats happend to her past year very calmly.There has to be a breaking point.she just takes and takes and takes everything and shoves it down,what happens when she finally snaps and loses it.That will be a very good opportunity for her to say FU to the MF gang and go off on her own to explore her darker self.

 

 

 

 

THIS. If an event like this occurs, it creates justification. The writers have to demonstrate that Caroline is almost ready to fall off the precipice of morality, because she is "pushed" to that particular limit. The question is...what will be the catalyst to create this type of SL?

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Veetayt
^^ I like the sound of that. Some kind of snapping moment with a logical justification.
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Dancing-eyes

^Another torture scene or her mother's murder by something supernatural element?but i don't think they'll kill her mother,i mean she and Carol are technically the only adults on the show.Another torture ought to do it.she can be all like whats the point of being a vampire when i can't  even protect myself from all this BS ya'know.

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Veetayt
Or as someone mentioned she can find her goals slightly shifting i.e what she wants from life. They sort of make it like it's a psychological growth. The small town life hinted by Klaus is also one of the issues to explore but it sort of has to show.
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