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KatherinePierceIsBringingSexyBack
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Sexyback
@Elena.Winchester, you're amazing, thank you! I will definitely look all of your suggestions up. I'm really grateful, you have no idea. In the vampire diaries, bad girls don't last. They die or disappear, while the bad boys get love interests. I used to read romance novels from an author who only had virginal heroines. When questioned about it, she said this: " It is unfortunate that most romance writers are not "allowed" to create a fuller spectrum of female characters. As I look back over the heroines I have created over the years, I can see that the sweeter, younger, loopier, more likeable female protagonists usually sell better. Virgins are liked better than experienced women. Sweet, spirited klutzes are far more popular than smart, tormented heroines. I'm generalizing, of course, but if you look at the genre as a whole, I think you'll agree. We forgive a hero for being arrogant and angry--we just call him an alpha, or a "classic" hero. But how flawed can a heroine be?" You know what the most ironic thing is, some of the most mysoginistic viewers/readers I have ever seen are women.
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Halde

It's funny, i have never noticed an mysoginistic viewers here(i assume "here" is the forum). . . 

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It is unfortunate that most romance writers are not "allowed" to create a fuller spectrum of female characters. As I look back over the heroines I have created over the years, I can see that the sweeter, younger, loopier, more likeable female protagonists usually sell better.And that can be most likely attributed to the slut-shaming urges current generation has. 

Now I hate Elena with all my will, but I still cringe at how viewers reacted to her actually being interested sexually in more than one person this season, instantly labeling her a slut for that. Now, when someone like ME has to defend that character, be very afraid...

Julie Plec's stance on "making Elena more "humble" than her book version" for the show makes horrifying amounts of sense, because if we had book-Elena, the viewership would label her a "slut" since the episode one. 

This revelation came to me somewhere midway through 2012... when I have seen some people's reactions to BTVS, when compared to whent he show aired:

"omg why does she show so much skin, what a slutty outfit how would any school allow it, burn it with fire" "omg she showed interest in someone"

 And that expands to a LOT of shows overall and how viewers react to them:

Through last year I have seen female characters being called "sluts":

for "not dressing modestly", for showing an attraction to another male or female character and actually admitting it instead of going behind the corner and blushing. for breaking up and changing partners. for SHARING A SCENE WITH MALE CHARACTER. for almost getting raped by another male character. for "betraying" the supposedly "epic and canon romance"....before that ship even started or the supposed "epic and canon romance" pairing even met...

Hell, in one of shows that I follow, one female character went on a vendetta against someone and was instantly hated by entire fanbase, while, just a season earlier, when a male character did exact same thing, he instantly became the fan-favorite.

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Charmed-jenna
BN actually defending Elena and a decision JP made, I never thought I'd come to see the day, maybe we really should be wary of December 21. Totally agree though, it's quite sad , it's come to a point where sometimes the "slut" instantly becomes my favorite character just to piss people off.
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KatherinePierceIsBringingSexyBack
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Sexyback
^Which I suppose is the case with TVD. Some people love Katherine cuz she's the anti-Elena. She eschews the rules set to not only women but to everyone in general. She's dominant, she's bold and very boastful of her sexuality, she's a straight up narcissist. All these traits are only considered attractive when a male lead has them while the heroine blushes and trembles uncontrollably like an epileptic flamingo. It really is tragic when the paragon of an ideal heroine is Anastasia Steele. The dunce can barely walk a straight line, and refers to her vagina as "down there".
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Charmed-jenna
Exactly, that was my why the character appealed to me, until she was only used as a plot device, I still enjoy the character though. What boggles my mind is ho come people are so accepting of a character that starts out in their opinion "good" that turns bad and then back good instead of a bad character turning good. This has come up in numerous TVD convos I've had and a lot of other shows as well. Like Fauxmanda , from revenge, sometimes I feel I'm the only on that cares for the character.
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Elenalovesspn

But you see, most of the cases you listed, minus the very first which I loved, is that it still has the same roles. 

wait, so you read the arcadia trilogy? kai meyer was in my school and mentioned all the sexist bullshit teenagers read today and he said if one of his book ever get made into a movie, he'll drink himself to death, ajsdkasd<3

if you have read it, do you know there are some people who ship rosa with her rapist? i'm not kidding, i have those assholes in my class.

MI still has the men characters completely overshadow the moral compass and blah blah blah of supposed main character and let's not even get started on hunger games and the problems I have with those books. 

tbqh, i was reading tmi: city of bones for the supposed big moment when clary realizes who her father is. but they only shared one fucking scene and it was all about jace. and the next book will be about clary's brother and it'll be about jace, again. smh

imo, the hunger games > catching fire > mockingjay

@KatherinePierce...(woah, your name's quite long) i read the host a few months ago, just out of curiosity, and man... that is just ... wow. i haven't read everything, but the parts i read were: 1. heroine cries. 2. love interest hits her and tries to kill her. 3. other love interest literally slams her onto the bed and is all "but wat bout mehh?" (idek what the fuck they were talking about, but the chick was crying again, man)

nope, nope, noooope.

i've actually gotten a worse mark on a story in english because of stuff like that.

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tbqh, i was reading tmi: city of bones for the supposed big moment when clary realizes who her father is. but they only shared one fucking scene and it was all about jace. and the next book will be about clary's brother and it'll be about jace, again. smhHello and Welcome to the main fucking reason I hate TMI and its hidden sexism

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Veetayt
Had almost forgotten.....I think book Lisbeth Salander from Stieg Larsson's Girl With The Dragon Tattoo is quite okay compared to the other heroines, she's definately a character on her own.
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KatherinePierceIsBringingSexyBack
440 posts
Sexyback
I guess perhaps women are drawn to these characters as a form of wish fulfillment? Self-insertion? I mean what else could drive a middle aged woman to fantasize about Bella and Edward screwing? Or daydream about a teenage vampire boy? "@KatherinePierce...(woah, your name's quite long) i read the host a few months ago, just out of curiosity, and man... that is just ... wow. i haven't read everything, but the parts i read were: 1. heroine cries. 2. love interest hits her and tries to kill her. 3. other love interest literally slams her onto the bed and is all "but wat bout mehh?" (idek what the fuck they were talking about, but the chick was crying again, man)" Lol! My name's Sam actually. There's also this thing with jealousy and possessiveness. I think its cute. Really I do. It can even be funny and swoon worthy...to a point. Its like with these popular authors there's a disturbing level of craving to be needed and desired. Staring outside someone's window while they sleep? Ick. Slamming someone onto the bed (I'm guessing its because they are jealous of other lover?) Ew. And these girls don't even call them to order! And also, where are the jealous heroines? How often does a girl mark her territory with a guy? We all know you have to do that in real life sometimes. When you gotta give that sleazy bitch who's flaunting themselves at your partner that "don't even" look. Where's that? Possessiveness and jealousy is only a masculine trait apparently. Or perhaps a good heroine is above that.
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Vampire Diaries Quotes

You want a love that consumes you. You want passion and adventure, and even a little danger... I want you to get everything you're looking for. But for right now, I want you to forget that this happened. Can't have people knowing I'm in town yet. Goodnight, Elena.

Damon

Damon: You know what they are? Children. Like lighting a candle's going to make everything OK, or even saying a prayer. Or pretending Elena's not going to end up just like the rest of us murdering vampires. Stupid, delusional, exasperating little children. And I know what you're going to say: 'It makes them feel better, Damon.' So what? For how long? A minute, a day? What difference does it make? Because in the end, when you lose somebody, every candle, every prayer is not going to make up for the fact that the only thing you have left is hole in your life where that somebody that you cared about used to be. And a rock with a birthday carved into it that I'm pretty sure is wrong. So thanks, friend. Thanks for leaving me here to babysit. Because I should be long gone by now. I didn't get the girl, remember? I'm just stuck here fighting my brother and taking care of the kids. You owe me big.
Alaric: I miss you too, buddy.

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