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Charmed-jenna
But they're part werewolf, so maybe that'll offset the effect, JP , as demonstrated, can come up with any loophole.
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Floralovesgurlplz
But who cares about them, the main characters barely even care about Tyler. The big problem is the gang dying from his bloodline, not the hybrids
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Veetayt
Yes and that hasn't been mentioned, have they found another way to immobilize Klaus or perhaps suppress his vampire/werewolf side so he can be either a plain original vampire of mere werewolf.
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 @BN, I appreciate a good selfish main character when they are written right eg. Buffy, Emily Thorne, Emma Swan, The Charmed Ones, not when they're overdone or all the selfishness stems from some teenage love affair that supposedly "epic" eg. Elena, Bella, Cassie from Secret Circle,

to me at least it seems like nothing drives these characters except hormones, which granted is what drives most teenagers, but I swear it's like teenagers have no other problems, whenever it's too soap opera-ish it reminds me of shows like 90210 and GG, which is not a good thing.

 Characters based entirely on their selfishness, egoism and flaws can still be great, if writing is great and if writers manage to balance them out through the time of their existence. 

  Emily Thorne, while the whole plot IS moving her towards the role of a darker, more traditional Anti-Hero is still pretty much justified in her decisions. Buffy, while while making mistakes, not being justified in most of her actions and ruled by her human nature, still ends up doing stuff for greater good even if with selfish intentions, Emma is still a normal, even if flawed, reluctant hero 

 

But you such a balance is not necessary for a great character. It is entirely possibly to create a character who can do actions that NO ONE in audience would agree with and yet still make him likeable and interesting.  You can have a complete monsters like in Decter (Dexter), or completely immoral morally conflicted psychologically unstable antiheroes in the midst of identity crisis like in Dollhouse(Adelle, Claire, Caroline or hell any character in that show, since you can't get more morally unsettling than those characters) or you can just make them for the lack of better word, be complete unfeeling manipulative dicks(like majority of characters in original La Femme Nikita, where, hell, even idealist main character was a Machiavelian survivalist). Hell, even game of thrones is good example, where idealism and good intentions gets you dead and being an unfeeling jerk ensures your survival. Hell, SHIELD(the cop drama, nto Joss Whedon's upcoming show) ran on that idea

You can create an emo teenager, an unfeeling sociopath, an immoral scientist or whatever - as long as you succeed in balancing the character traits, making the character relatable and actually creating a narrative that makes sense, you will still have a character.

The thing is, being an "emo teenager" or "selfish" or "selfless" is not the problem with characters like Elena Gilbert.

 

 

The problem with Bella Swan, cassie and Bella Gilbert quite frankly is that they are not characters, but objects in a show around which something happens. They are props and extras in the shows where they are supposed to be the lead characters. Elena going bitch-mode over Damon would make sense and be interesting if there was a character build-up  and viewers would be able to see where each side is coming from. Being able to relate to each side. That's the problem.

Elena is not a character. She is a pretty trinket two brothers are fighting to posess. 

 

 

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Charmed-jenna
Oh no, I sent you into essay mode :). I agree with everything you said , this is just personal taste. Selfishness and romance almost never slide for me these days, especially if it central to a story. What's funny is that it was a lot easier to handle and actually enjoy with older television shows, I think it's because they had more balance and weren't only meant for a tween-teen audience.
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Halde

The 12 hybrids obviously has a connection with the spell requirering 12 humans. . . And that was to clip the ties of a sire bond. Maybe to take control of a vampire or a Klaus? I dno. . .

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^I predicted few days ago.

Original Original will be Jasmine - someone who is sired to every vampire alive, except those who are already sired tosomeone, making Elena a plot-device AGAIN. 

 

 

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Veetayt
Somehow I'm not really jazzed by the Silas storyline. I'm yet to see where it's going or the outcome.
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yawnn baaically

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Amie

@Heather, thats becoz they wasted way to many episodes on Elena and the triangle than that Silas sl - think about it two episodes were spent on the cure that a) was a stupid secret to keep to begin with and b) it did not affect Elena in any way...same story with the sire bond - two episodes on keeping it a secret only for Elena to find out later and her not giving two fucks about that....in a sense everything was triangle related and if you ask me, we have been going in circles with all of that because every time it coes back to DE. LOL, nobody cares about Shane and finds him suspicious or anything - everyone is only worried about the triangle - so yeah, yawn!

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Vampire Diaries Quotes

You want a love that consumes you. You want passion and adventure, and even a little danger... I want you to get everything you're looking for. But for right now, I want you to forget that this happened. Can't have people knowing I'm in town yet. Goodnight, Elena.

Damon

Damon: You know what they are? Children. Like lighting a candle's going to make everything OK, or even saying a prayer. Or pretending Elena's not going to end up just like the rest of us murdering vampires. Stupid, delusional, exasperating little children. And I know what you're going to say: 'It makes them feel better, Damon.' So what? For how long? A minute, a day? What difference does it make? Because in the end, when you lose somebody, every candle, every prayer is not going to make up for the fact that the only thing you have left is hole in your life where that somebody that you cared about used to be. And a rock with a birthday carved into it that I'm pretty sure is wrong. So thanks, friend. Thanks for leaving me here to babysit. Because I should be long gone by now. I didn't get the girl, remember? I'm just stuck here fighting my brother and taking care of the kids. You owe me big.
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