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Halde
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Halde

To the victim? Yes

So you think it's immoral to get raped? You actually put guilt upon rape victim saying they have done something immoral? That makes no sense. 

And if the victim doesn't feel raped(which Elena clearly didn't) there is no cause for calling rape, even by your standards.

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Amie

Ok, so what I don't understand about the sire bond is this. If it does not affect the way a person feels what's the big deal about letting them go really? I mean, telling a persn to go and all is gonna break the sire bond but it's not gonna change how the person feels does it? And one other thing, if Elena's feelings for Damon were that magnified, then why weren't her feelings for Stefan magnified too.? If Elena has somehow turned darker as she and the writers implied, then can we chalk her up whole vampire experience for now to the sire bond since Damon was mostly her mentor?

Oh that whole story was just a waste of the episode really, because what exactly did we learn? That Elena had feelings for Damon all along - SHOCKER! LOL, they could have spent like ten minutes to explain something that was not worth explaining to begin with because I had more expectations (LOL,why?) about this whole sire bond..but it turned out to be lame...they should have just had a flashback episode and given more screen time to Lexie than that annoying slut Elena.

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852 posts
Veetayt
@Charmed Jenna. Yes, the mythology sounds less cringy than the triangle that they repeatedly try to ressurect every time. I think they should just let it go, at least they had DE happen and tried to balance out the scales and all but if the ratings fell then that should say something.
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So you think it's immoral to get raped? You actually put guilt upon rape victim saying they have done something immoral? That makes no sense. 

Can you please stop putting words in my mouth?

Its not about victim feeling immoral or the perpetrator feel immoral. Its about the very act being immoral, does not matter on if victim does not realize that she/he is being used without her consent or if the perpetrator realizes he is doing something unforgivable. .

The perpetrator might not feel like that but to victim its still rape, does not matter on if the victim realizes it or not. 

 

 slut Elena.

 

 A-a-a.

What did I tell you last week? No slut-shaming please. Elena slept with total of THREE people in her whole life. That does not make her "slut" or "whore". That does not even make her a normal teenager. That makes her a fucking nun.

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Alexandra29
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Alexandra29

an episode without Niklaus, is a boring episode....

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Veetayt
I think what @Kitanishi is saying is this: if you take an objective test to determine rape I think we will find to a larger extend that Damon did indeed rape Elena. How so, because a reasonable person might have foreseen that because Elena is sired to Damon she wasn't capable of giving proper consent. While the bond does not affect feelings it does affect reactions. I mean, Elena can't say no to Damon about anything can she, so it can be argued that her judgement was clouded. Orders do not have to be verbal to determine whether it's an order or not. However from a subjective point of view it wasn't rape, Elena had feelings for Damon from way back. And having sex with him was just an outlet of her feelings since the sire bond has little to do with feelings.
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Halde
3965 posts
Halde

Its not about victim feeling immoral or the perpetrator feel immoral. Its about the very act being immoral, 

You just said it was from the victims persepective. Now you change it to the observers perspective. Make up your mind.

The act is not immoral if neither of the participants know there are shady buisness. If the people involved aren't being immoral, then the act is not immoral. 

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However from a subjective point of view it wasn't rape, Elena had feelings for Damon from way back. And having sex with him was just an outlet of her feelings since the sire bond has little to do with feelings.

It does not matter actually. If you end up having sex with someone due to outside circumstances affecting your capability of judgement and your ability to consent, it IS rape. It does not matter if you like that person or love that person. 

 

 

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You just said it was from the victims persepective. Now you change it to the observers perspective. Make up your mind.

No. I said that from victim's perspective it is still rape, just as it is from outside perspective. It does notmatter that neither of the involved KNOW that or realize that. Just like Caroline sleeping with Klaus in tyler's body would have been rape. 

 

 

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Amie

I also LOLed when Elena basically professed her love for Damon and how Bonnie and Caroline were pigs for giving him such a hard time....and she is telling that to the girl whom he raped and abused and wanted to kill and to a girl whose mother he turned? very sensitive Elena.

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