Modwild

So you know when that scene took place? I want to check it out. Jojobo seemed to think that it was Grace who said it. You're saying it was Neil who said they had their best sex when the house was purchased? I'm asking for someone who apparently knows of this scene to point me in the direction of it.

Modwild

I'm guessing you may not be alone in your experiences slightly mirroring the Trumans. Thanks for sharing your story. I hope you read what you wrote and take a moment to kiss your wife today. Really kiss her. Surprise the hell out of her. ;-) I'm rewatching the first episode again. When Grace went out with her friends that night she met Simon, she had too much to drink. Neil shows up and she playfully says she could have another and they can go home and have fun. He's kind of appalled. He gets angry and she fights back, telling him that meeting in the parking lot because she was almost arrested is the first time they've seen each other outside the house in about six months. She begs for something. Dinner, coffee or a date. He says home. She replies with "where I belong?" If that doesn't sum up how much she missed him and wanted more from their marriage, I don't know what does. The next day she wakes up to an empty bed and a note that he'll be working late. He was hardly thinking about what she said at that moment, or, I'm guessing, for the next six months as he had no idea she was cheating. Six months later Neil has his break, but it was six months after she reached hers. On the day after she broke, she cheated and on the day he broke, he cheated. Until that moment, he didn't give a damn about his marriage. He saw no issues with it whatsoever. NOW he sees a lot, but he also has a heck of a lot more information than Grace does. When he learned she cheated, he cheated. I'm not sure how she can top that now. Also, Neil didn't tell Grace what happened. She found out when she visited his office and Stephanie pulled it up on YouTube. Grace was proud of him. She then fires the pool guy and asks why he never told her how unhappy he was. They start to talk, but even with a family moment, they don't maintain. The song that plays is Best Day of My Life (https://www.youtube.com/watch?... ) because he decides he doesn't want to leave everything he loves to try to figure out how to fix it. Then it all falls to hell. The best laid plans. (Through the first two episodes I still couldn't find a reference to their best sex from being indebted to the new house.)

Modwild

So Grace told Stephanie that they had their best sex when they were in debt and just bought the house? I'll go look for that.

Modwild

When and who said the best sex they ever had was as a result of them buying a big house they (apparently) couldn't afford? I missed that. I don't believe, by the way, that they couldn't afford it. I know how much money managers make. I know how much salesman who merely sell interest in funds make. They can afford that house and another if they want.

Modwild

When I earlier said "good for her" for cheating and finding herself, I wasn't condoning it. Of course it was a horrible thing to do. The one good thing that came out of it, much like the good thing that came from Neil doing the same thing, was that it opened her eyes. I'm just guessing that they were dead inside and without a chance of ever addressing their issues before this all happened. Now, even given all the awful things they've done, at least maybe they can get angry, scream and toss it all out on the table. It's really becoming a situation of "what do we have to lose?" ya know?

Modwild

I don't have an answer about their marriage before we knew them. We do know that she put her entire life on hold to be a wife and raise a child. It seems fair to expect not to be neglected at any point. To have and to hold. Holding is just as important as the having. Open up a bit. Step back and look at it outside your gender. Is having a career difficult? Hell yeah. Sometimes you don't want to make an effort at home because you've spent so much at work. But that's not the way marriage works. It's a partnership and both parties must be equally engaged for it to succeed. That's obviously not the case here. They checked out for various reasons. Is leaving emotionally or sexually better or worse? Neither is above the other, not if someone wants their marriage to continue.

Modwild

If you think the marriage was well over before Simon appeared, then how can you blame Grace? We don't know the full story of their lives before that moment. It's really interesting that this show is features both a male and female perspective, because it's giving me some good insight to the male psyche. Not from Neil's perspective, but from a viewers. As a woman, I'm blaming both partners for losing sight of their love, commitment and vows. That doesn't to be shared across the sexes.

Modwild

You guys are completely unwilling to see any good in Grace. It's really sad. Somehow Neil has all these layers to his personality (that he for some reason doesn't want to share with the whom who should be the most important person in his life) but you have flat out decided that Grace is to blame for everything. I daresay people are projecting. Neither character has been open and honest about how they are or what they want and there isn't blame about who is ending the marriage. It's just a tragic situation.

Modwild

Neil hates his job so much that within one day he was willing to dial back everything, lie in court and take a boat load of money to continue that career. He knew how to do the right thing, as we saw in his courtroom fantasy causing Anika to rise and applaud, but he didn't do the right thing for himself. He chose to continue the life he had. I don't recall Grace forcing him to take any particular stand. I could be wrong, but I think that was all Neil's doing. I don't think Neil is invested in the marriage as much as he's invested in coming out on top and that's why when he found the artistic photo, he went berserk. Someone else saw his possession without his permission.

Modwild

I haven't watched this series since the first season, but I want to thank you for this comment. It made me laugh out loud. There were seriously no subtitles? That would have infuriated me.

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