Modwild

"The only way a woman could fake it was if the man had never been with a woman that experienced one." Or if he just doesn't care. Because it's not the norm for women to experience them that way without an assist. I'm sorry to hear you know about losing a child from personal experience. Yes, I agree that she is grieving and we do learn more about it in the next two episodes. Cole, even through her eyes, is working very hard to make things right. She could use a good therapist.

Modwild

I hate to even ask where your got your information on faking it. Unfortunately, many men wouldn't know the difference if it jumped up and slapped them in the face. See that later gullible comment. ;-) As for The Affair, so far I agree that Alison is more sympathetic, but I also don't know whether she's telling the truth about anything. Or if either of them are. Love that.

Modwild

I didn't use the term "just" when I said sex, but you're right. Women find emotional affairs far more damaging. That's because they so often get the short end of the sexual stick. Unless a man loves them or they're paying to get it, often times it's all about the man, which is why women (and I hate this) fake the big event. I honestly don't know any women who are harder on women who cheat than men. Of course, I also think men are the weaker sex outside of everything other than pure physical power. If men went through some of the pain women had to endure (emotionally and physically), there would have been entire medicinal conferences built around ways to stop it from happening by now! ;-)

Modwild

I've seen the next two episodes and I gobbled them up. I even used the slideshow only because you can see the different scenes. Didn't you think it was interesting that Noah recalled Helen pulling out either a modest red dress or a slinky brown number and Alison recalled her wearing a black, sexy yet modest dress? Those details don't even MATTER to the overall big picture of the crime, but it shows how much differently everything else can be recalled. Apparently there is some connection to Roshomon, a 50s Japanese film (and book) that detailed a crime from four perspectives. It even coined an "effect." -- "The Rashomon effect is contradictory interpretations of the same event by different people...A useful demonstration of this principle in scientific understanding can be found in Karl G. Heider's work on ethnography.[3] Heider used the term to refer to the effect of the subjectivity of perception on recollection, by which observers of an event are able to produce substantially different but equally plausible accounts of it."

Modwild

If we're going to generalize about other men who committed suicide, etc., let's just generalize. Women have, since the dawn of marriage, been expected to do whatever their spouses say to do. They suffered for eons while men carried on with other women and just turned the other cheek. I think that's why this particular series resonates so deeply with men. Grace cheated, and Neil (in a way) turned the other cheek. He took what is expected to be the feminine route to affairs and Grace took that usually associated with males and flipped the whole thing on its head. Men have always claimed their affairs were just sex, they love their families but just have this NEED that must be scratched. That was merely an excuse to cheat, just as you think it was for Grace. You're still justifying what Neil did ... and using the exact same reason I said Grace started in the first place -- because he wants to know if he's still got it. Interesting stuff, right?

Modwild

I agree that it's completely different. I'm most interested in how people perceive their pasts, which does relate to the other series because we have one perspective. When you have a fuller picture, you start to see just how differently individuals perceive things. That stuff that Noah said about a parallel universe? If you think about it, we all live in parallel universes because none of us -- not one -- shares the exact same experience as someone else, even if we were all in the same spot at the same time. I find that stuff ridiculously fascinating.

Modwild

I"m sorry -- I don't understand your comment. You are not enjoying Dean's portray as demon Dean? What is all and everything? Who is the real monster?

Modwild

I agree with that. I simply cannot believe that we in the east are done with our SECOND airing before the first even hits the west coast. That's just odd. The second airing and the first in the west should coincide that would be perfect.

Modwild

It was just as good as being there. ;-)

Modwild

Wow. That's a real shame but looking on the bright side, can you imagine if he didn't back out? She would have had a terrible marriage without feeling comfortable in her own skin. If she's strong, she'll not only get through this, she'll meet the right man for her and have a fantastic wedded life. Tell her we're all thinking of her!

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