Modwild

I think you have to watch in the same way you watch The Blacklist. None of it is very believable, but it's damn fun. It's not about what we see on the surface, in my opinion. It's everything that's boiling underneath, such as the interpersonal relationships and what appears to be impending backstabbing at any moment! Glad to see you here, too, reality adictt!!

Modwild

I agree with everything you said and that's why I love it. It's about so much more than terrorism or government. They're all so shady! I had to laugh when Charlie got to Yemen and had absolutely no support at all, but took it in stride, and the number of times Nick said he hated Yemen. I like them together.

Modwild

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he's still alive. Make he's angry at his mother and orchestrating things to make her look bad. Or had orders to kill Charlie. That gun was pointed at her. It's just a fun show, so I'm open for anything!

Modwild

What hens? First, my question of you has been why you continue eu to be duplicitous in how you view breadwinners and caregivers. Second, I have said nothing derogatory about Japke, as I like both him and Abby. They may say mean things when upset, but it's never heartfelt. You started the conversation with "I'm sticking up for Jake because I care so much for women" and then bashed the main characters, who has been great. There are no claws out because there's no reason to bring them out. Your arguments aren't logical when it comes to fictional dissolving marriages. You pick sides without having full information and judge with little evidence. I like discussing it, but don't have the information in front of me to judge Grace anymore than I do Jake. There isn't enough available for me to feel good judging. When you suggested Abby was only into Nate because he was successful, I had to step back because there's absolutely nothing written to indicate that. They wrote words to each other that validated their feelings toward their marriages. Nothing about that scenario screams "I want this man because he has money!" It was emotional and based on common beliefs and feelings... Until it got real.

Modwild

Why does there need to be a comparison? Jake is in a full blown relationship and Abby went on one date. For the record, EVERY MAN I'VE EVER DATED was someone I wouldn't marry, as it turned out. Should I have left the stage open and not dated at all? I also didn't consider them affairs. They were dates or boyfriends. (I wasn't screaming above, I just don't know another way to emphasize my point on disqus.) There are plenty of men and women who date people they would never marry. Lumping Nate into a category isn't fair, however.. Abby had a deep emotional connection to him because she was discovering (as was he) that her marriages was over. That she could find acceptance with another man. It only took one physical night for them both to realize that's all they would ever be to each other, but that's not something to be embarrassed about. Finally, we don't know Jake didn't date or have sex before Becca. We may never know that. It doesn't really matter, as long as he and Abby can keep themselves together long enough to raise their kids and remain friends. I see them having a great chance of doing that.

Modwild

I honestly have no idea what show you're watching. When did Abby show disdain for Jake? You're believing that because she yelled it at him during an argument? People say really shitty things to each other during a separation. They have respect and love for each other, but recognize their differences make it better for all if they're apart. Your evidence on Becca and Will has very little by way of backup. Your anger at Will being kind and caring for Abby is palpable. We never saw how Becca and Jake were at the beginning because we didn't see their beginning. Somehow you argue that circumstances put Jake into the position of caregiver, but you can't make that same argument over on Satisfaction for Grace. The show is for women, certainly, but did you know Paul Adelstein wrote the last episode? Yes. That Paul Adelstein. Jake.

Modwild

I agree. I think Lisa Edelstein is amazing. Abby as a character is struggling to figure out where she fits in life, but in similar circumstances, who wouldn't be? Every character is struggling and I really look forward to seeing them find a good place, even if it's not what I'd choose for them.

Modwild

GG2D hasn't indicated it was a conscious decision on the part of Jake to take over homemaking. He was unable to find work. It worked out that he could be there, but I've seen nothing thus far showing it was a deliberate choice on his part to give up his career.

Modwild

You and I just have different ideas of what makes a marriage work, I guess. If someone checks out for five years, but the other person sticks with it, hoping to connect, begging and finally makes an emotional connection with someone else, I don't blame that person for ending the marriage. Like Jojobobo said, if Jake was tuned out for five years and skipped mattresses on the first hint of Abby connecting with someone else, he was probably too afraid to leave the marriage for his own reasons and hoping she'd make the first move. It's not easy to leave a long-term relationship, regardless of what you feel, especially when you've hunkered down into a routine that "seems" to work and you're not the breadwinner. It's interesting that Jake fell into a "thing" with someone who very clearly has a lot of money on her hands. She offers it to him freely. That's bound to be part of her appeal, on top of her other assets. On the other hand, Grace felt safe paying for her sex because it didn't mean she intended to leave the marriage. She can use the "you tuned out and I turned on" reasoning, but by paying for it it takes a bit of the sting away from her perspective, because she wasn't having an "affair." The lesson here in both cases is people can't tune out of their marriage and expect it to continue on happily. Seems straightforward, but we all know enough people who have gone through it to know it's never as easy as it seems to all of us on the outside looking in. That's why I try to look at if from everyone's perspective. I've been on multiple sides of the equation, and I cannot honestly say which one I'd want to be on ever again. Preferably none, but what are the odds?

Modwild

No, you've got it right. That's why I questioned golfingdocp. He has more sympathy for Jake because he feels as though he has been portrayed as the woman in the marriage.