Keith-vlasak

Since politics-all-the-time in Hollywood is a sore spot with me, maybe I'm seeing something that isn't there, admittedly -- however, I took Fischer's comment as a dig on conservatives, her saying the system worked as being what imagined evil Republicans think, that everybody should be executed for littering or anything and too bad if innocent people die. That is, it sure seems to me that they gratuitously stuck an indefensible opposing viewpoint in -- and my suspicion is that it was politics.

Keith-vlasak

I really didn't take Jane's comments to Lisbon as Jane being jealous. Lisbon would be awkward about personal matters around Jane just because they'd been partners, which is less than marriage but tighter than friends or classmates or something, and so Jane could make comment or ask questions of the most personal nature which Lisbon would be obligated to answer (if Jane pushed, so, I thought, she was constantly ducking her head and kept moving so he wouldn't).

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Is it possible they threw in the line shrugging off Jane and Lisbon hooking up as a message to the shippers that it's way far off from anything likely to happen?

I wonder about the Crawford-Stanwyck difference. I was thinking the possible difference was that Stanwyck plays warmer characters and Crawford, to me, seems so cold and aloof, tossing off lines to peasants -- but, yeah, I can picture a lot of snappy lines from Stanwyck.

Keith-vlasak

I've never seen what the shippers were interpreting either. Jane and Lisbon were partners, which in life or death situations and the trust implied is a pretty tight relationship, but it's not romantic. Right now, with Fischer taking up space and the working situation in the FBI office not formed even after so many episodes, Jane and Lisbon now remind me of ex-partners Bosco and Lisbon with that level of repartee only. I miss their being partners and hope for better if Fischer is resolved. A big if ...

Keith-vlasak

I think that there was conflict with her early on, but now she just enters from off stage and says, "We've got a case," and takes Jane out into the field somewhere and then seems to have nothing more to do with the case. If/when she complains about him abandoning her someplace, she's cut off before she can even complete the sentence and the plot moves on with her back on the sidelines. The little she does, Lisbon could do instead (that Fischer gets screen time that could be Lisbon's is the conflict, and that's not in the story, but in the fans). My opinion is she's not a hate character anymore.

Keith-vlasak

Ratings and the demographics of the ratings are all that count. Where negative opinions come in is if there's a groundswell that changes the ratings. Keep in mind that half of Howard Stern's listeners only listened because they couldn't stand him and wanted to hear what &%@*# thing he said next. What the networks want is high numbers to raise the price of advertizing (and, since there are always replacement shows in the works, they don't care how loyal fans are if their numbers aren't big enough). I don't think fans complaining about certain characters hurts in any way (look at the years long fan debate on Ziva or how Tony has been portrayed on NCIS - it didn't effect the ratings, so no one cares but us fans).

Keith-vlasak

I don't get why they have Fischer. She adds nothing -- no conflict, no support, nothing. Lisbon doesn't seem to have a role with the FBI, and with Fischer on board, I don't see how she'd develop one. If they got rid of Fischer, both Lisbon and Cho could do more with Jane!

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I forgot ... I really didn't like JJ getting killed. I liked his bizarre character and will miss his showing up now and then. Besides that, I hope like h*** that they're not resurrecting Red John or his surrogates or some worldwide cult of billions upon billions of loyal murdering followers who will no doubt take over the FBI. I hope not!!

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I thought it was completely acceptable protocol to have left Fischer because he was going undercover and her cover was blown. Even she understood afterward and shrugged it off. Did Jane know, though, that he was going to get onto the compound and so have to dump Fischer but didn't tell her? Yeah, that's Jane - better to get forgiveness than permission.

I also don't see that it would be in character (or skill level) for Jane to get into the computer system. That would be the kind of thing he would get someone else to do for him. I think, whether we can believe it or not, that we're supposed to assume he's just that good.

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I too think that Sheldon can sometimes be quite a nasty piece of work ... but I'm not sure this was him being nasty as much as invested in a lifestyle slipping away. What I'm thinking of is how much I liked the time spent in the house 4 of us rented for 3 years of college (and that maybe 50 other fellow students crashed there in that time span) and the decor wasn't like a home but more like dorm clutter. I also recall one of my housemates saying that I was in my element there -- which is what I think Sheldon was trying to keep. So, maybe Peter-Pan-ish and self-centered/short-sighted (rather than nasty-selfish), but not like him fighting over a parking space he wasn't ever going to use anyway.