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21 TV Couples Whose Sizzle Has Fizzled

Yes. ALL of those. Honestly Tracy and her relationship with Jerry, and now with the other Peck are probably the only ones that haven't made me question what the writers were thinking. Oh and Noel and the Chief.

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He's been keeping her under surveillance. I think he's more than aware of what she's been up to, and the little details about how she walks around the house with a gun etc are evidence of that. I think that's why he had a hint of a smirk when talking to Fitz. He can't have her under surveillance and not know what she's been doing. I think if he wasn't in the know of what all she's been up to he would fight harder to integrate himself into her life more, which he hasn't done and should tip her off but she isn't in the right mind set to notice. He's her unemployed friend with Benefits with a certain skillset who somewhat blames himself for her being taken under his nose. Jake definitely knows what's going on. But unlike Fitz he knows what it's like to deal with this type of trauma so he's giving her the illusion that he's giving her space while he's lurking in the shadows. He's oddly always been a friend first and foremost and their relationship was left in limbo with her choosing herself and him cool with it. Him watching from afar as she works through her issues possibly with other men, isn't a stretch to me. He knows she loves him. I mean if he's been cool with their undefined relationship and the fact that she's also in love with another man, he's pretty chill in that regards but he's a special kind of broken himself so no surprise. Unlike Fitz who loses his ish over her blinking at another dude even though he's married. But yeah, the scenes of Jake telling half the story of what's going on with Olivia while being quietly smug about it reminded me of when Fitz hired him to do it the first time and Jake didn't mention he started dating Olivia. She has PTSD. She's pushing everyone away. She's definitely going to push Jake away precisely because he's her closest confidant. It isn't supposed to be rational or make sense. Jake who is screwed up himself and not a professional therapist is doing what he can. He's keeping an eye on her from a distance. He's giving the illusion of space. He's letting her work it out however she can. Sex isn't destructive unless she allows it to be. I don't think she's allowing it to be destructive for her which is why sue gave that monologue about female agency and owning your own body and sexuality. As long as Olivia is being safe I don't think her having sex and letting go more than she ever has is her being self destructive. And I don't see where her reputation is an issue. Ideally it shouldn't be anyways. But still, she's a single unmarried woman having sex. Why should that destroy her reputation? Never mind the fact that she previously lost clients etc because of the president's mistress scandal. I mean she is a fixer, if an issue comes up, she can handle it. But again, I'd despise of they put her through that entire traumatic experience and then glossed over the effects it has on her so, whether you enjoy it or not, this is an avenue to explore the effects. Something is wrong with her mental state. That's the point of this all. But every single action of hers doesn't have to be self destructive. Her having a one night stand even if it's a byproduct of her PTSD, though not something she traditionally does, isn't instantly self destructive. And it certainly isn't something that Jake should be policing, or she should have to be ashamed of because of her job. Plus it's one guy so far.

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21 TV Couples Whose Sizzle Has Fizzled

Sam and Andy? They're like Meredith and Derek, overrated and I don't get the hype. Andy and Nick. Andy and Luke. Andy just...it's Andy.

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21 TV Couples Whose Sizzle Has Fizzled

Probably because Elijah has always been a fan favorite and he never got as much romantic play as the others due to the nature of his character I presume. So even though he had history with Katherine Hayley I is the first time they explored and fleshed out Elijah in a romance. Personally I'm not a Hayley fan but I deal because it's not like she's going anywhere. Now that Gia is in the mix though I'm all for some Elijah and gia screw Hayley.

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21 TV Couples Whose Sizzle Has Fizzled

Agreed. There is zero chemistry between those two. Even if Felicity wasn't in the picture, which she wasn't a regular for quite some time, I didn't see Laurel and Oliver as a couple at all. Not even in their flashbacks.

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21 TV Couples Whose Sizzle Has Fizzled

Love this list. I agree with Donna and Harvey. It's literally a case of why can't they be friends? The second they started angling towards romance the nature of their relationship shifted and was less enjoyable. Gabriel and Sarah are bffs and I don't understand why the show couldn't just mirror that instead of the cliché route. Donna used to be the woman who called Harvey out on his bs and suddenly became the woman blindly in love with him to the point of being stupid, reckless, and wrong. Plus they genuinely seem romantically incompatible. I think he and Jessica have more sexual chemistry then him and Donna. Great chemistry doesn't have to immediately lead to romantic entanglements and Darvey is an example of that. Carol and Daryl. Family. Friends. I love their relationship but not romance. I never felt like Klaus and cami were meant to be a romantic pairing so they never bothered me.i felt like the originals grasped multilayered relationships better than tvd that way. Steroline. They made Caroline Lexie 2.0. The fact that Stefan isn't in love with her so much as just going along with something comfortable and familiar makes it an irritating pairing. But they never pair who they should because if they did Caroline and Enzo would be together this season instead. And Bonnie and Damon. And Elena would be blissfully single since she actually does better that way but whatever. Bonnie and Jeremy was like the show responding to Bonnie never having love by throwing Elena little brother at her and never giving them much of a plot or screentime. wes and Rebecca are the worst. Rebecca was terrible. I cringed each time. Huck and Quinn. I don't even know why they went there but it grossed me out. I don't agree with Tom and Elizabeth keen. I'm biased because I've been a Tom Keen fa since the beginning but I see it now more than ever and it's interesting now that they are on equal footing and Tom is the guy who doesn't have anyone and never loved before and yet can't shake this woman who for all intents and purposes is the closest thing he's had/has to family. I'd add Delena on this list, it's uncomfortable at this point.

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I thought the episode was okay. Personally I'm not a Lena Dunham fan, so the excitement around her being on the show didn't do it for me and neither did her character to be honest. I mean outside of the reality check she gave Olivia which most fans seemed to love because they felt it was long overdue. I didn't really feel anything with that either though. Maybe if it came earlier, maybe if it came from another character. But waiting until Olivia is clearly suffering from PTSD to have some outsider read her the riot act for not being herself, it just felt like poor timing and Ill placed. I don't want to see someone who isn't privy to Olivia's recent debacle come in and word vomit her hero worship for a woman who she now doesn't see worthy of her worship when she herself isn't trying to emulate the badassery of her idol by going after the company who disrespected and screwed her over, but instead wants to take down others. Because she wasn't naive enough to believe that people wouldn't start putting two and two together and figuring out the bigwigs she was sleeping with. Man or woman, putting someone's sex life out there in that manner without their consent is just wrong. As insane as Huck was, he was right when he said she would've talked. As long as she bad the information she could've always held over whomever head to get whatever she wanted or needed. But damn huck. damn. I love that Olivia's PTSD isn't being swept away. The flashbacks, the report on how she's functioning via Jakes voice over convo with Fitz. The meeting a guy at a bar and having meaningless sex. On one hand I was peeved because of the focus on hypersexuality with mental conditions in entertainment, but then it is a thing, and it is something we ever pay attention to when it's a woman, because we've been conditioned to see it in men as guys being guys so I had to check myself on that one. But I get it. And I've that Jake gets it and it just reminds me that no matter what their relationship status is Jake is always Olivia's friend first. Even if they aren't speaking he looks out for her, and he accepts her going on the prowl. And it just makes me think that for all he thinks about huck, Olivia is his person too. He's locked in on Olivia being his family/friend/keeper whatever. He has that same devotion to her like she's his lifeline. Like maybe she keeps him normal too. I know people tend to sell the olake relationship short, but I find them fascinating because it's not even about romance. Or just romance. Anyway, I almost wonder if he sent the guy himself. And I don't know what to think of th e renewed forced bromance between he and Fitz again. It's so bizarre. But clearly Jake isn't being forthcoming with all his info and I'm wondering why Fitz even bothered with surveillance again when it didn't go over well last time. These boys never learn. I'm a sucker for a Charlie appearance. I can't lie. He's like an unofficial OPA asset/frenemy. It makes me wonder what the state is of b613? Is he just doing freelance work again? I love Charlie. Basically conditioned to be suspicious of any character Brian White plays because he always plays shady or bad guys so while I'm not mad at Olivia for self medicating with grade a beef, u just question this dudes motives. Plus at this point how does no one know who Olivia is and what she looks like? Unless he just was being polite and going along with it for her benefit. I don't know what Huck thinks will happen but there is no happy ending here. The fact that his wife pushed him into testifying despite knowing how dangerous this all is doesn't bode well. He's not going to move in and have a happy life. He's still a monster. He is losing control at that. Normal isn't in the cards for him. At this point it just feels like a game of how many times we can put David Rosen in mortal danger before someone puts the poor dude out of his misery for having the audacity to attempt to be a decent human being. Abby and her speech...loved it. Mellie and Liz will be interesting. If they get mentoring from bitsy they could rule the world. Olivia's wardrobe was great. All dark colors but that pop of blue and the pattern spoke to how jumbled her mind is right now.

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I don't understand why there has to be a comparison between them at all. But Olivia's words have also told what it's like for women as well, same with Quinn, and Mellie. All the women of Scandal have used their voices to tell what it's like for women. Not just Abby. Also, how is Olivia a tramp? Because of how many men she's been with? When every single main female has been with 2 or more men. Or because of who it is she sleeps with? When Abby herself sleeps with powerful men of influence as well. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with either woman and who they've slept with but why hold Abby to some high esteem in order to degrade Olivia? You loved Abby ' s speech about women being in the shadow of their men despite their achievements and in the same breath hold against Olivia the very thing you were seemingly applauding Abby for calling out.

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I thought it was a great episode. I'm a huge Tom fan. I've loved his character from the beginning and the more we learn about him the more I love him. Doesn't hurt that Ryan Eggold is ridiculously easy on the eyes. It's not even fair that he's had 3 looks since being on this show and looks hot with each one of them. No way in hell my brown arse should find aryan/neonazi Tom Keene bot and yet... Anyhoo, one thing that I've always believed from the beginning is that Tom loves Elizabeth (for some reason but I digress). I mean nowhere in his assignment was he expected to procreate or adopt with her for example but he was so pissed about that.His love for her has been evident since day one, even when he didn't want to admit it to himself. So i had jo doubts that he'd come turn himself in. Especially since he wasn't going to really go down. He knew that. Red knew it too. So it wasn't as big of a sacrifice as they made it out to be. I loved his phone call to hwr at the end, checking up on her. I find their entire relationship so fascinating. Especially now. I loved the scene with Dembe and Red. Their relationship is one of the highlights of the show and Red listens and respects him unlike any other person. It made the scene with Red and Liz so great, because clearly Red was following Dembe'Dembe's advice but in a Red way. I was expecting the judge to be some big bad or something with how adamant he was in taking Liz down, so that was a bit disappointing. I also thought there would be more to Tom/Jacob/Cristoph assignment. Maybe there still will be. Repercussions and what not.

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Oh no!I'm sorry! I wasn't directing that at you at all. I'm sorry if it came across that way. I was agreeing with you and getting lost in some of the other comments as well. Because there are people accusing the shoe of pandering and I didn't see it as that at all. :) They would be heartily returned. All about the love. :)