I kinda agree about Vivian. Vivian is an interesting woman because she was the first one who embraced their new relationship with all that she had. She's had no reservations, she even encourages Karen and Alec to bond more in her own way. She's often the glue that keeps them as a trio together. Plus she picked up early on that Karen was attracted to her husband and her response was that she found it attractive. She also knows about Karens past as a mistress and her feelings about and her insecurity that that's all she was meant to be. I think her problem wouldn't be that Alex and Karen hooked up. Her problem will be that her husband who never lies to her has lied to her. She sometimes strikes me as that woman who knows she's dying so her last mission is to set up her husband with the perfect woman she approves of. Shes very intuitive. She picks up on both of their reservations about the whole thing and both of their attractions towards the other. She seems to genuinely enjoy sharing her husband, not just sexually but emotionally because its like she knows alec enjoys having a professional colleague that also reminds him to not be so serious, and she knows that Karen genuinely needs to know that someone cares and can be tender. There's almost this maternal vibe that she has with the way that she genuinely wants them both to be happy and it makes her happy. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Karen has always been such a frustrating character for me because for her to be a shrink she's an honest to God hot mess 99% of the time. Sometimes it's just ridiculous how many awful decisions she makes for herself and sometimes others. All that aside, I almost hate how fascinating I find her latest screw up. I mean polyamorous relationships? Of course Karen, why am I surprised. It was clear from early on that rules needed to be established and every time the trio had scenes together I wondered why they hadn't gotten around to some ground rules. I find it odd because Karen and Alec have great chemistry. I only find him likeable when Karen is able to get him to loosen up. I don't see the chemistry with Vivian for either character. Alec does a great job selling his love and devotion to his wife when she isn't in front of him and j hate that. Vivian seems great and in a way more invested in their arrangement then the other two, she jumped in feet first no reservations. I knew Karen and Alex would end up hooking up without her. Their attraction was building from very early on. I think even Vivian knows that. I feel like Karen is attracted and has feelings for Alec and vivían is just along for the ride. She likes her as a friend, sort of, but they haven't given the two of them nearly enough time alone to establish their own relationship. I think Vivian being in with the relationship makes Karen feel better, absolved her of her past mistakes and sins. And Alec is an interesting character study on his own. I look forward to seeing what happens with them. I loved harry early alone and started losing respect for him later on. But harry is still harry. I think it's fine that his plot doesn't dovetail into any of the girls plots, but something I even found annoying before is they've eluded too and told us about how close he is with the girls. He was the only guy in their circle of mostly single females so he was their go to guy for anything they needed. I remember April calling him when she was afraid someone was in her house for example. And the talk they had in the moment suggested that they were in fact friends Savi aside. It's suggested that he did sort of have his own friendship with at least some of the girls outside of Savi and it seems like a missed opportunity that they still haven't explored that yet. But they've also retconned Harry a great deal since the beginning as well so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I knew the second I saw April's mother was played by Lynn Whitfield that there would be drama. Love that woman. Their dynamic was interesting to watch. I have really come to enjoy the whole April and Marc relationship. It's developed quite nicely and I find their scenes a nice reprieve from the other stuff going on. Oh joss. Joss and Karen always rotate with who is going to be the most problematic and make the worst decisions. I knew this entire thing would be trouble and boy is it. I like Calista but joss became attached to her too hard and too fast and that may not be mutual because Calista will undoubtedly look out for Calista.
I like the idea of them delving deeper into Harvey's Mommy Issues so to speak. It's been clear from season one that his past, upbringing, and family life really shapes him as a person now, his moral code the way he treats the people he cares about, everything about harvey is shaped by his still mostly mysterious past. It is part of what makes him such an interesting character. So I knew that the return of Tanner meant some of this would come up again and boy did it. I loved that aspect of it. I enjoyed his scenes with his psychiatrist. Feeds into my inner psych nerd and Harvey is quite the case study. I'm not a fan of Darvey as anything other than a platonic friendship so every time they elude to let alone focus so much on that part of their relationship as one of the few non Darvey fans I cringe. Which has made a great deal of this season rough to get through, especially since I'm not remotely interested in mike and rachel as a couple either. But credit where it's due, they've done well. I still don't like tanner. Mike being self righteous worked in his favor this week unlike last week where he was wrong. Sackhoff has been quite the interesting adversary and Louis is nothing if not frustratingly consistent. I feel like I really need more for Jessica. Season 5 now and she's still the woman who has to referee the kids and clean up their messes and put up with her authority being disregarded or undermined and it's redundant and frustrating. I do love that they have given her a nice bond slowly developing with rachel and this week she had a scene with Donna those two don't share scenes together nearly enough. Up until them though the only person who seemed to genuinely be close to her was harvey and sometimes even then it was like an afterthought. I miss their friendship/partnership being explored more too. Their relationship is one of my favorites. Especially in juxtaposition to harvey and mikes mentor/mentee bond. I freaking love Gretchen! I hope she never leaves. I love her working with harvey.now more than ever he needs someone in his corner, no strings attached. Plus, for a guy like harvey with the mommy issues that he has, I love the idea of Gretchen bring a maternal figure for him in her own way.
Lol Female harvey would instantly be problematic, bitchy. Female Mike would be overly emotional. And female Louis would instantly be considered pathetic. Donna would still be awesome. Rachel would be Mike. And Jessica would be Harvey meets Hardman. I think of that frequently. Gender swapping. I also think of race swapping too. Would characters be more likeable if they were males or Caucasians? Would characters be more sympathetic if they were females or Asian or latinx etc?
Interesting and sadly, I doubt it. I like to think that the best way you can gain insight into how Harvey would be received if he were a woman is to see how other characters and the fandom responds to Jessica. For all intents and purposes Jessica is Harvey in a skirt just more seasoned and more controlled. She's confident, business oriented, she tries to control her emotions and what she allows others to see. She's passionate, and she does see her firm as her family. She protects her people and she likes to uphold a certain image. The real difference is she gets less screentime and they delve into her character less, so she doesn't always come out smelling like roses or is embraced flaws in all like with harvey or mike. They get more development, more chances to be seen as well rounded, multi faceted characters and there for more get out of jail free cards used to overlook the shady ish they do, because even when they're in the wrong they're right because they meant well or whatever. And honestly responses to her tend to be polarized either people really love her or really loathe her, but as a fan of both her and Harvey it's always interesting to see how critical fans can be of her character compared to harvey, especially when they do similar things. Suddenly her confidence becomes arrogance, her snarky lines make her unprofessional so does her wardrobe apparently, and her speaking her mind or making certain decisions make her a bitch. Harvey making moves against his mentor and friend because he's upset that his name isn't going on the door makes him ambitious. Jessica making moves makes her conniving. I find it fascinating, disappointing at times too but fascinating none the less. But yeah, I think if harvey were Haley having panic attacks because her boy Friday Don left her she'd be called weak or emotional. If her elusive history and past with genuine and legit abandonment issues were manifesting in her relationships with everyone from her mentor, protege, frenemy, and love interest there would be a resounding "get over it" vibe, more prominent than the alternative. The rachel and Mike relationship roller coaster ride would probably still be just as annoying or maybe even more so. And if Louis were a woman I think the overall response would be that she was even less sympathetic than ever and more comments about her level of attractiveness compared to the other cast than I even want to be think about. I think the only thing that would be relatively the same is the love for all knowing, confident, sassy, no nonsense Donna. Her archetype would be just as effective if she were a male.
I LOVE Gretchen. Can we keep her forever? Donna can stay with Louis for all I care honestly. While I loved the friendship that was between Donna and Harvey, I never cared for them as a ship. I liked their relationship best when it was ambiguous. The more they pushed the other stuff the less fond I am of their screen time together. But I love the type of relationship that could be explored with Gretchen. Not everything has to have romantic subtext. Harvey is a man eh o has severe abandonment issues mostly because of his mom. Gretchen is that mother figure that he still needs. I love what they could do there and personally I find that infinitely more interesting than will they won't they Darvey stuff. Gabriel Macht does a great job portraying the panic attacks and that scene was one of my favorite scenes of the episode. I loved how attentive Mike was. The role playing with his therapist was filmed nicely. I don't care for rachel however I do like the friendship she and Jessica are building. Bonding over the law and the business and also their role and the difficulties of being a woman and a person of color too. I felt Jessica especially needed that. She's one of my favorite characters but when she isn't playing referee or being the boss she rarely is shown as having friendships outside of harvey and that's only shown when it's convenient for harvey not her. It's bad enough she's not always respected the way she should be by the other characters, Mike especially pisses me off when he has scenes with her, but not showing all the sides of her is a disservice to the character, fans, and Gina torres. Damn her clothes were incredible this episode. I'm glad they eased up on some of the Louis stuff this episode. I'm beyond tired of the petty bs between them all and Louis and Harvey playing tug of war over Donna.
I absolutely loved it! Rami is incredible. He nails the role and it's hard to think of him as anything other than Elliott. The f society reminds me of real life hacktivists Anonymous, and therefore I'm thoroughly intrigued by them. I loved that they didn't make a mockery of Elliott clearly having various mental disorders with the anxiety, depression, delusions and the like. They make him relatable. They make him sympathetic even empathetic. It's so refreshing. He's different but he isn't otherized in this. I mean 5 minutes in and I already loved his character. His relationship with his bff is a bit cliché but it didn't bother me. I didn't think she was unlikeable. I felt Angela's depiction was on the nose regarding his issues. She's aware that he has them, probably spent their entire lives sticking up for and catching flack for being friends with him which seems to be hinted at with the "triangle" between her, Elliott and her loser bf. She's almost too close to see Elliott as anything other than her quirky friend. She's well meaning but ignorant to him having legit issues, or she's in denial of them. That's pretty spot on to how loved ones treat those with mental disorders etc. So that didn't bug me. In her mind, as his bff, she has to just push him out of his comfort zone more. I also read her going off on him at work when he tried to defend her as the typical bs that happens when you work in a sexist environment or field. It's a male dominated field and even though she knows Elliott means well, and clearly he has a protective streak, she doesn't want his helping her to make her appear weak or incapable of holding her own or fending for herself. The fact that he's respected makes it all the worst. I think the only thing that could have made Angela unlikeable was the standard I don't want to date you because you're my best friend but I don't want to lose you to anyone else either bit. I found his relationship with his Dr to be the most interesting and unique. He connects with out necessarily letting others know that he's connected with him and how much he truly cares about her well being was sweet. I loved watching him keep up with her dating and then nailing that guy and rescuing the dog too. Yeah I'm going to like this show. A lot. Great review.
I...don't know of we need Caroline and Stefan to be the relationship at the forefront of the show. At this point, the series has overused the whole relying too heavily on a romantic relationship at the expense of everything else. I'm OK with where Stefan and Caroline are. Romantic entanglements aren't that serious when they finally acknowledged and showed that the real story here is about the brothers. Enzo got bumped to series regular but has been poorly utilized. Please fix it or get rid of him. I like Michael Malarkey, he doesn't deserve this. It's like they don't know whether to make him officially part of the gang or an adversary to it. But they half ass his role either way. It's frustrating to watch. What even was his storyline with Sarah this season? What was the point. He needs something solid. I remember being really excited when Alaric came back and then really disappointed with his character when he did. He transformed into grumpy old guy and I won't even start on jo. He needs to be rebooted. I don't know if I want to watch him mourn for the millionth time when it pretty much looks like drowning in bourbon and being a curmudgeon. If it brings back the Damon and Alaric bromance then sure. Bonnie, it's amazing how she went from the character that frustrated me to fully fleshed out and holding her own. Bonnie deserved that. She also deserves to carry the female lead role, because she's always been deprived of storylines etc unlike Caroline. Ah the de sexualization of Bonnie Bennett. It's so common amongst black female characters that it's become a bit of a trope, and even the efforts made to rectify it these days in other shows are still met with the "but friendship " and "it doesn't have to be about romance" etc, and it's so ingrained that most of us don't realize we do it. Bonnie has never had really had a legit relationship. Whatever that was with Jeremy was so poorly constructed, frustrating, and ridiculous I can never count it. Compared to literally every other series character she's never been in a proper romantic relationship. Instead she's been hit on, violated, and used by random villains (kai, klaus, and kol) oh god the kkk trifecta, I just noticed that. Anyway, she needs storylines where she isn't having to sacrifice herself for her friends and still managed to be an afterthought to them. I'm at least grateful they show that they appreciate her more and the Bamon relationship has been the seasons highlight so more that. But she definitely deserves some true love and devotion too. She can have both, we've watched the other girls have both for years. Matt. I'm torn between agreeing that he deserves to have more time to shine and agreeing that old reliable, wholesome, human Matt Donovan is rather dull. Maybe with the city crumbling and him being the resident cop he may actually have a decent storyline. I just want to see the characters and things that may have been neglected a bit get more now that Elena is gone.
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That finale was incredible!!!! Seriously this was one of the best breakout hits of the season along with HTGAWM, Jane The Virgin, and Empire. The cast is incredible. Grant Gustin worked his adorkable ass off and I'm so proud of him. He has this quality that makes you feel like you know him personally and watching him succeed is like watching a friend succeed, hence the pride. Tom Cavanaugh and Jesse Martin have also been incredible this season. I was on an emotional roller coaster the entire time and they had a grip on me until the very last second. All the heart to hearts had me sobbing on the inside. Barry and Joe scenes are easily one of my favorite parts of the show. Barry and his father, that last speech damn near had me in the fetal position ugly crying (if I did that). Barry and eobard and their conversation was just as heart warming in a twisted way. He truly did care about Barry. Eobard clearly also cared about Cisco too but I laughed hysterically at that whole "Not sorry for killing you because I probably had a good reason " bit. Lol! Barry and Iris' heartfelt talk was just as moving. I love them. I love their relationship and friendship and I can imagine how difficult it was choosing between saving his mother and giving up the family and closeness that he has with Iris and Joe, because it wouldn't have been the same. Iris, I notice catches a lot of flack, and I don't think it's all that fair to be honest, but I love her relationship with Barry in any and all of its stages. I can feel that they are close when onscreen together so that rooftop scene was sweet and honest. If there is a way for Victor Garber to be in every episode from here on out I would kiss someone . I LOVE him as Stein. Ronnie has grown on me as well, even though the Ronnie and Caitlin wedding seemed misplaced like it didn't fit in with everything going on. Was it necessary? Couldn't it have been next season. That's the only thing that took me out of the finale. I'm not a comic book geek but I know about Cisco and vibe and I'm excited to see how they deal with that. I love Cisco. I also have to rewatch the episode to see the wormhole bit because I didn't catch much the first time around. I was probably still recovering from a uh allergy attack or dust or something from Barry calling Joe dad. Eddie. My darling eddie broke my heart. I wasn't ready to lose pretty Ricky. He's especially had the chance to show his range as an actor later on in the season. I'll miss him. The scenes with him and Iris were amazing. They too have a great chemistry. I'm so sad about Eddie. I truly did like him. The after effects of his death will be felt next season. I can already imagine it. Flawless finale for a fantastic show.
Not surprised. I never thought it would last this long. I watched faithfully and kicked myself for it every time when I wasn't already busy yelling at the tv and throwing the remote. The Following always felt like a miniseries that somehow ended up being extended repeatedly. Not so much that can be done without coming across redundant. Hope the best for the actors.
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