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@guest - I wonder why Ziva would invite everyone of her co workers but Tony in the first place. So everyone could snicker at the diss, or because she's such a sweetheart?

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Ziva did not make a big deal about inviting people. Tony found out AFTER the dinner as it was revealed as he and Ziva were locked in the container together. She did not prance around the office and give everyone a verbal or written invitation in front of Tony. Ziva never rubbed it in his face. It inadvertently got out through their conversations and was brought up again by Abby and Gibbs in the squad room later that night. Ziva did apologize for not inviting him and took him home to make him dinner that night. So, I do not classify that as middle school behavior. But, you will see things how you want to see them. Maybe you should watch that episode again to refresh it in your mind.

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@Jean
Thank you very much! : )

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I think the writers have not done their best making characters do things that were out of place. After the shooting at Vance's all except Ziva show up at the hospital. So NOT ONE of them stayed with Ziva? Really? after her father is shot? some team. Wrong! And if Ducky was at the hospital who (secretly) picked up the Eli's body? Why was Ziva secretive to Tony about her car? It doesn't make sense. After the car accident, no verbal exchange in the car or at the hospital between Tony & Ziva or Gibbs? And all the secret looks between Tony & Ziva. If you're going to show those looks (and Gibbs "knowing" looks) it should mean something. And they have left McGee on the outside too much too. If you make the audience care about the characters you need to give them more.

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I completely agree with everything guest has said.Well done you.

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Loved your post Vickie. Wow mist - you certainly are the witty one.

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vickie go screw urself

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part 2
a school girl on speed, Vance is the stoic one and Ziva is the tough skinned assassin who is way too bitchy at times. The only one who comes across as not being totally exaggerated is Ducky. I will agree with you that the writers are relying on these extremes too much. But you can hardly say that they are only doing it to Tony. They do it to all of them. Just like you do not like them making Tony a clown, I do not like how they always represent Ziva as the ice queen. But, the writers do this for the sake of the drama and I tolerate it because I like the show. I do not blame the actors or the characters, it is strictly the writers and the executive producer who are making all the characters act like they do.

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Well, I for one do not know what my personality would be like but I assume I would have a hard time being friendly and trusting people when everyone I loved had been taken from me in a violent manner. And then there is the fact that her father has used and manipulated her for years for his own agenda. I also have never been held prisoner in a terrorist camp but I am assuming that would do a number on you. It has been implied that bad things happened to Ziva in that camp. Do I think that her behavior at times is abrasive? Yes, absolutely. I often cringe sometimes at the way she talks to people, especially Tony. But just like Tony uses humor to buffer his feelings, I think that Ziva puts up that cold wall in order to protect herself. I also realize though that the writers exaggerate all of their flaws to the extreme. Gibbs is way more harsh than he needs to be, Tony is too much of the buffoon at times, McGee is too timid and unsure, Jimmy acts like a bumbling idiot, Abby is like a school girl on speed, Vance is the stoic one and Ziva is the tough skinned assassin who is way too bitchy at times. The only one who comes across as not being totally exaggerated is Ducky. I will agree with you that the writers are relying on these extremes too much. But you can hardly say that they are only doing it to Tony. They do it to all of them. Just like you do not like them making Tony a clown, I do not like how they always represent Ziva as the ice queen. But, the writers do this for the sake of the drama and I tolerate it because I like the show. I do not blame the actors or the characters, it is strictly the writers and the executive producer who are making all the characters act like they do.

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I guess I should have been more clear. I'm talking about the bullying mean girl middle school mentality that Ziva personifies. Her interpersonal skills and general conceit resemble a nasty insecure middle school bully far more than a fully fleshed out mature woman who is in her 30s. And while Tony is silly, and used to be portrayed as a player, before the writers decided that Ziva had to be portrayed as the most desirable to all male characters, his juvenile behavior never possesses the venomous toxicity that Ziva's nastiness does.




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