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Remember Ziva's father betrayed her and Gibbs and Tony and McGee went in and rescued her. Ziva is a good agent and she never asked for special treatment. She had to kill her brother to save Gibbs. Ari and Eli were both dirty.

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I hope Glasburg gets Team Gibbs back together.

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Agree with mac, the background sound is way too loud. I have to turn the sound up very loud to hear the dialog and then when you switch to a commercial I'm blown out of the room.

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Why is the background sound more loud than the dialog? The dialog is very difficult to hear over the insignificant sounds.

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@ S: Sorry I read an "Asked" in there, my bad. But clearly you hate Ziva. We get it. Don't need to beat it to death.

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Read again - I never said Ziva or CdP "asked" to be Gibbs go to agent. I said that after the Rivkin debacle is when the writing began to portray her as Gibbs go to, and most respected and trusted agent, as opposed to Tony who had this role prior to the Ziva damage control of S7. Gibbs left her in Israel because after lying to and betraying the team in an investigation she told him to chose her over Tony, because she evidently felt that she was the more valuable agent. Even after all of her lies.

Her father charged her to finish Rivkin's mission. Apparently poor victim Ziva was supposed to get special treatment because she was the daughter of the director and not be assigned dangerous missions even if it was fine to send other Mossad agents on them. Once again - poor poor Ziva is supposed to get special treatment and is portrayed as the victim if she's actually treated like anyone else would be.

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@ S continued:

Too much? Probably, but blame the writers and EP's (which include MH) not he actress.

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@S: What do you mean "after Ziva asked to be written as Gibbs' go-to agent"? Are you referring to Cote? How do you know what she asked for or didn't ask for in her contract negotiation? Just because the writers made her a permanent part of the team and a US citizen, which they kind of had to as the Mossad Liaison was a tenuous position and they clearly wanted to keep Cote;Just like when Parson made a point to say to Ziva that she never had to "pay" for killing Ari, and now this dialog concerning Rivkin, we must not forget that Ziva was still MOssad and an Israeli Citizen. I'm not saying anything she did was right or legal, I'm saying she probably had diplomatic immunity. Gibbs leaving her in Israel was tantamount to him telling her that she needed to get her priorities straight and work with US, not THEM. That was the worst thing he could do to her, leave her behind. And her father made her pay by sending her on a suicide mission. Too much? Probably, but blame the writers and EP's (which include MH) not the actress.

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S makes some good points although we don't know how the Bodnar situation will play out. NCIS really has become overly focused on the personal dramas of either Gibbs or Ziva and the rest of the team no longer has much real importance or are particularly significant to the current Gibbs or Ziva story. It does make me sad that Tony has been paired down to a weekly humiliation scene or sometimes as the very small t in tiva. The show's focus on him is more than not, demeaning.

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After Ziva came back from the Rivkin mess was when she began to be written as Gibbs go to agent, and thus began the shoehorned in dialogue about her impeccable loyalty and work ethic. Meanwhile by comparison, Tony began to be portrayed more and more as a slacker who didn't understand protocol or have much of a work ethic. This is also when super savior Ziva emerged in every fight situation while Tony was flattered with scenes like being knocked over by an airline food tray.

I doubt if Gibbs was asked to choose today that he would choose Tony. Ziva had clearly betrayed and lied to everyone.
What choice did Gibbs really have?

As far as Bodnar goes, I'm predicting Ziva will be portrayed as Gibbs secret confidante, the most loyal martyr, and without a doubt, have a kick butt scene where we yet again see her amazing skills. If she winds up in jail, we'll see the team feverishly working to clear their most valued agent.




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