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" People censure Tony because the show does. They ignore Ziva's many failings and rather unpleasant character traits because the show does, too."

I think you make an excellent point there, Katya. I can't tell you the amount of comments I've seen on Facebook saying that Tony's useless and Ziva should be Gibbs 2IC. But in reality Tony always follows orders and gets the job done. And if he DOES ever make a mistake the guilt sits firmly on his shoulders and he's looking to blame no one but himself.

So is Ziva's mistake foreshadowing? Well, it's hard to tell if you look at what the show has shown us in the past. It wouldn't be uncommon for her to have made a mistake and Gibbs to say nothing. What else has the show shown us? That every male to enter the squad room has to stop by Ziva's desk and admire her. So for this detective to stop by and do the same, even though in this case he's looking for information on the suspect, who's Ziva to think any differently.

Plus I'd also believe that Ziva was off her game just because she was jealous Tony was sent on a special assignment and she wasn't. Flirting with girls in bikins, no less. They've shown us before that Ziva loses focus under those circumstances.

Or maybe the show IS trying to show us that Ziva is off her game this time. LOL

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Continued @suncatcher
Compare and contrast with the amount of censure Tony gets when he's immature, screws up, or, God forbid, he tries to be serious instead of the 'class clown'. People censure Tony because the show does. They ignore Ziva's many failings and rather unpleasant character traits because the show does, too.

I could have listed other examples of her screwups but I think 4 posts on the subject is enough.

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Continued @suncatcher
Later, she admits she lied to Gibbs about shooting Ari and that she had been under orders to gain Gibbs's trust from the start. Somehow, this still isn't enough for Gibbs to throw her off the team. Would Gibbs keep her on the team? No. No sane, sensible leader would after Jeopardy, let alone Aliyah. But this is TV-Land and Ms De Pablo is under contract, so on the team she remains, straining all credulity. What bothers me is that the show refuses to acknowledge her flaws and failings - she's always a poor, tragic and yet - in a classic case of the show wanting to have its cake and eat it - also kickass victim, and yet she screws up repeatedly.

But we shouldn't collude with them by feigning astonishment that the perfect Ziva David should screw up in any way such as the reviewers did here. She's *always* screwing up. The reason people don't notice is that the show refuses to comment on it. Compare and contrast with the amount of censure Tony gets when he's immature, screws up, or, God forbid, he tries to be serious instead of the 'class clown'. People censure Tony because the show does. They ignore Ziva's many failings and rather unpleasant character traits because the show does, too.

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Continued: @Suncatcher

She should have been off the team right there and then. Moving on to Witch-Hunt. I actually like her in this one because she screws up by letting the women get away out of the window, and Gibbs DOES punish her, but she's humble about it and willing to learn. If ONLY that had been the pattern. Sadly it isn't. There's the episode (Dead Reflection, I think) where she bought the flirt and got locked in the stairwell and the bad guy went and killed the accountant.

When she goes undercover with Tony's dad in Broken Arrow, she stands out like a sore thumb, gets made by the bad guys and doesn't even realise it and then ignores Tony's orders to get his father out until she finds out the order came from Gibbs.

Then there is the huge clusterf*** that is Aliyah and her incredibly bad choices there. A US Agent died because she refused to believe that Rivken had lost the plot.

Later, she admits she lied to Gibbs about shooting Ari and that she had been under orders to gain Gibbs's trust from the start. Somehow, this still isn't enough for Gibbs to throw her off the team.

Would Gibbs keep her on the team? No. No sane, sensible leader would after Jeopardy, let alone Aliyah. But this is TV-Land and Ms De Pablo is under contract, so on the team she remains, straining all credulity. What bothers me is that the show refuses to acknowledge her flaws and failings - she's always a poor, tragic and yet - in a classic case of the show wanting to have its cake and eat it - also kickass victim, and yet she screws up repeatedly.

But we shouldn't collude with them by feigning astonishment that the perfect Ziva David should screw up in any way such as the reviewers did here. She's *always* screwing up. The reason people don't notice is that the show refuses to comment on it.

Compare and contrast with the amount of censure Tony gets when he's immature, screws up, or, God forbid, he tries to be serious instead of the 'class clown'. People censure Tony because the show does. They ignore Ziva's many failings and rather unpleasant character traits because the show does, too. Simples.

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@Suncatcher

Why yes I can, thank you for asking. Where to start? There are so many. I'm sure others can chime in too.

Kate died when Ziva went against Eli's orders and refused to believe Ari had turned bad. This is a theme with Ziva - she repeatedly disobeys orders because she thinks she knows best and yet has the cheek to upbraid Tony for not being able to follow orders in 'Dagger'. Dagger, by the way, is another example of her screwing up when she goes nuts despite Gibbs's order to stand down.

Then there's Jeopardy where she actually assaults and kills someone in custody because he's annoying her. His pre-existing condition does not lessen the blame - there can be no excuses for her jabbing him in the throat when he was cuffed. He'd have been alive if she hadn't done it - and what was her punishment? She's benched for the case and makes a big fuss about it. She kills someone who is handcuffed and in their custody and gets a minor slap on the wrist. She should have been off the team right there and then.

Moving on to Witch-Hunt. I actually like her in this one because she screws up by letting the women get away out of the window, and Gibbs DOES punish her, but she's humble about it and willing to learn. If ONLY that had been the pattern. Sadly it isn't.

There's the episode (Dead Reflection, I think) where she bought the flirt and got locked in the stairwell and the bad guy went and killed the accountant.

No one died when she went undercover with Tony's dad in Broken Arrow, but she stood out like a sore thumb, was made by the bad guys and didn't even realise it and then ignored Tony's orders to get his father out until she knew the order came from Gibbs.

Then there is the huge clusterf*** that is Aliyah and her incredibly bad choices there. A US Agent died because she refused to believe that Rivken had lost the plot.

Later, she admits she lied to Gibbs about shooting Ari and that she had been under orders to gain Gibbs's trust from the start. Somehow, this still isn't enough for Gibbs to throw her off the team.

Would Gibbs keep her on the team? No. No sane, sensible leader would after Jeopardy, let alone Aliyah. But this is TV-Land and Ms De Pablo is under contract, so on the team she remains, straining all credulity. What bothers me is that the show refuses to acknowledge her flaws and failings - she's always a poor, tragic and yet - in a classic case of the show wanting to have its cake and eat it - also kickass victim, and yet she screws up repeatedly.

But we shouldn't collude with them by feigning astonishment that the perfect Ziva David should screw up in any way such as the reviewers did here. She's *always* screwing up. The reason people don't notice is that the show refuses to comment on it.

Compare and contrast with the amount of censure Tony gets when he's immature, screws up, or, God forbid, he tries to be serious instead of the 'class clown'. People censure Tony because the show does. They ignore Ziva's many failings and rather unpleasant character traits because the show does, too.

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@Michael
You can defend your favorite character all that you want without attacking others and posting offensive comments.

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I do hear that a dark serct will come out about one of the character and it will make everyone look at him different I bet its Mcgee and his car accident I wonder if he got his mother kill

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WOW what with the name calling so I can't defend my favroite character

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Hi friends I will be back soon @michael don't be vulger

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@ Michael
you and your disgusting, unreasonable rants and comments. You are a sad, little human being with no regard for other people and I feel bad for you. People have tried to be friendly and reasonable with you but you don't want that, you want negativity and I, for one, am no longer going to fill this need in you. Good luck in life.




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