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@S @Alisa @ Patricia

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other characters because of your misguided rage to find any flaw you can in Ziva?

I really do not understand where such extreme hatred for a fictional character comes from. Do you all believe that one day you will end up with Tony and Ziva is a threat to you? I must assume that you all think he is a real person because of your mean girl tendencies toward and school girl jealousy of Ziva. Not REAL people. Relax and enjoy the show and stop psychoanalyzing every little thing.

And quit trolling!

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@S @Alisa @Patricia

"Trolling is an Internet slang term used to describe any Internet user behavior that is meant to intentionally anger or frustrate someone else. It is often associated with online discussions where users are subjected to offensive or superfluous posts and messages in order to provoke a response."

This describes all three of you to a T. I have seen your constant rants and Ziva bashing on these pages and on the pages of the TVLine site. Your comments are not helpful, rational or insightful. You only are happy if you can say derogatory things about Ziva and Cote de Pablo. You say the same thing for every episode and for every topic. You say these things even if the topic/episode is not particularly about Ziva. It must be extremely painful for you to watch any episode of NCIS. I imagine that you must be tense the entire hour as you try to find that one thing (or usually several things) that you hate about Ziva. Can you even enjoy the episode or focus on the other characters because of your misguided rage to find any flaw you can in Ziva?

I really do not understand where such extreme hatred for a fictional character comes from. Do you all believe that one day you will end up with Tony and Ziva is a threat to you? I must assume that you all think he is a real person because of your mean girl tendencies toward and school girl jealousy of Ziva. Not REAL people. Relax and enjoy the show and stop psychoanalyzing every little thing.

And quit trolling!

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..... character, that would be Tony/Jimmy I just react strongly to things which make no sense whatsoever, as do some of the posts on here sometimes!) (not necessarily just yours) Anyway! On topic, it was a good episode, I liked Gibbs with the dog, Tony was no different to any other time, thus disproving the 'theory' MW 'hates' how his character is portrayed, and I'm looking forward to the next few episodes. Yay! :)

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Right, so you admit then it's one rule for one, different for another, depending on their likeability? Interesting. That's all I needed to know really. The fact is, Ziva has screwed up no more or less, than anyone else, and I would love to bore everyone else to tears showing you the proof, but I'm sure you would ignore it anyway. A shame because I do like a reasoned discussion. However! I will leave you with this. Your reasoning for Tony's possibly (thankfully not) cataclysmic rule break, is that is was with 'good intentions' Well I put to you Ziva's decision NOT to ruin a dinner party being held by her boss, and hold off for an hour or so, turning in her own Father, who wouldn't have been in taken in to custody anyway, by anyone, let alone a JUNIOR AGENT (your words) who was also his daughter, was possibly done with......... good intentions? So going by your own argument, that makes it right, right? (Btw, before you put me in the 'Ziva lover' box, you're wrong, she's not my favourite character, I just react strongly things which make no sense whatsoever, like some posts on here)(Not necessarily yours)

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I guess the point could be made that Tony inviting Schmiel to comfort his grieving friend, helped the situation and did not cause an international incident. Good call. Ziva, disregarding protocol in how to proceed with confessed killers ended in disaster. Bad call. Tony was read the riot act and told to "take one for the team" when he simply he went to Ziva's apartment, and ended unexpectedly fighting for his life. But whenever Ziva screws up, it's time to pull the victim card and have another pity party for victim Ziva and another tragedy arc. I agree that lots of irregularities have been swept under the rug on NCIS, but Ziva seems to have more than the others put together, with the possible exception of Gibbs. She's a junior agent. When she screws up she ought to be held accountable like anyone else. Perhaps she hasn't admitted to anyone that she with held information twice about her murdering father. As usual, we get the wobbly lip and all is forgiven.

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And Patricia, I'm sorry to say, you're incorrect. Eli's death WAS a big secret, I suggest you should watch the episode entitled 'Shiva' again. No-one outside of NCIS (execept SECNAV of course) knew, and I give you a quote from Gibbs 'A secret worth keeping... to prevent war' Tony himself told Ziva she was to tell no one. Yet he did. I agree with what he did. And I think you've just proved my point! If the rule break is 'with good intentions' (and it's someone you like) all is fine! If it's someone you don't like? Well......... Thanks for that! :)

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Patricia, I will assume your comment is in reply to mine, even though you've adressed it to someone else. Frankly, having watched NCIS since the start, I could write a list right now off all the times, every single one of the characters has broken the rules, not followed protocol, gone off on their own leading to trouble, and it been brushed under the carpet. Gibbs, Vance, Jenny, Tony, Ziva, Ducky, McGee, these stories are for entertainment, as it is after all a show meant to provide entertainment. My question is, do these rule breaks only count if they are by the character you hate? Because that is certainly how some posts read on here. And that is the only thing which is 'silly' I'm afraid.

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First off: Alisa- STIFLE IT!(as Archie Bunker used to say) Michael Weatherly used a light hand with the directing and it showed- great job! I, too cried at the end, especially when Dex stood at attention at the casket. And then cracked up when Gibbs said "He's not a dog; he's a Marine." Very good episode. I only have a few shows I watch and this is no. 1. As for the Ziva thing, there is more than meets the eye here. And I'm so glad Vance is here to stay (I hope!) Next week looks to be interesting- we get a real backround on McGee's character.

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@Misa - I realize that for some, anything Ziva does is justified because the writers always portray her as the poor maligned victim, and because Gibbs gives her a free pass for anything that she does that turns out badly. But if Ziva had immediately taken her father into custody when he confessed to being the murderer in NCIS's current investigation, the dinner party would never have happened. I don't know of any other time when murderer has gotten to attend a special dinner after confessing, do you? As for others culpability - I agree that GIbbs and Vance also shared some responsibility, since they did not insist on giving Eli protection once they learned he was in the country. As for Tony telling Schmiel being some kind of big no no - well that's just silly. Lots of people already knew and it was a well intentioned gesture of friendship.

ALISA - You go girl!!

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And whilst we are on the subject of rule breaking Alisa... where do you stand on Tony breaking the rules to tell Schmiel Eli had been killed, and flying him in to comfort his bereaved partner? A rule break that had it gone wrong could have led to war? What in your opinion should happen to him? Head slap? Fired? Killed in some grisly manner as you think Ziva should be? I'd be very interested to know. Thanks. (For the record, I like all the characters, and am unable to hate people that, you know, don't exist, so I think it was the right thing to do, and very sweet)




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