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cont...Truth is, I would prefer RJ to be a complete unknown. If this was a movie then some twist in the end, such as RJ being Lisbon or Cho, would be acceptable. In a movie you only spend about two hours getting to know the characters. But we have spent four and a half years getting to know these characters; we are much more invested. I actually like all of the characters suggested as possible RJ's (some more than others...well, except Bertram) and would feel rather betrayed if one of them turned out to be the devil so long sought.

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@b&w&r - This has always made the most sense to me. The only scenario that would fit is that the actual RJ is a charater to whom we, the audience, have yet to be introduced. Lorelei only implied that Jane had already met RJ. That does not mean we have as well. Jane may have met this man (and yes, I believe RJ is a man)before coming to the CBI, maybe even before his family was murdered. Maybe that is what Heller meant by the audience being disappointed in the end, because we have been speculating about all the characters we have seen and RJ is in fact a complete stranger to us and the parts of the story we've been shown.

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Stiles is way too obvious to be Red John(or at least I hope to god) but really there aren't any good suspects like @rationalgal said before, we just need more information. That quote of Lorelei of "friends for life the moment you shook hands" is loaded because the obvious focus is on who Jane shook hands with(and he focuses on that also) but when someone says "the moment..." it often implies something more than just a one time casual handshake. My guess is this is someone Jane would easily remember and know and talk to. But the problem is there just is no good suspect amongst the characters. It's going to have to come from someone we see within the next few episodes, unless the show wants to make it so that we the audience don't see Red John until he makes his appearance at the end of the series.

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Hmmm. Every scenario works and every scenario doesn't. We are missing something yet to be revealed. The attempt to always protect the organization from public embarrassment is probably just plot details unrelated to the mystery. In my personal experience every organization puts its welfare and public image above the welfare of people, some more or less than others. I'm suspecting a Moby Dick ending where everyone goes down on the Pequod (CBI/FBI) along with Ahab/Jane as he takes down the whale/RJ, leaving only Ishmael/Lisbon? to tell the tale. Given all the crap being pulled it looks like the story is heading that way. I hope not. But I still think Stiles is the Red John behind the curtain. No, he's not someone women are eager to get in bed with, with he probably assigns that "work" to his minion Red Johns, of whom there are many (as Jared's bloody writing in the wall suggested).

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To get back to Wainwright real quick, I'm still not fully buying that the only reason he was axed was because he interferred with Jane a) this was over 6 months after the firing--why wait so long? b) This is the second straight yr RJ has hunted the boss in the CBI, that's not a coincidence and Hightower wasn't exactly holding Jane back last year. c) When RJ killed Bosco 3 years ago, it was specifically because he had gained some kind of info that could reveal RJ. He had to get rid of him. And that whole process was organized and deliberately planned, last year looked kind of helter skelter. Just grab Wainwright, keep him in the back and then what? Remember they didn't kill him, the FBI did. RJ had planned on capturing Hightower alive in season 3, it looked like it would be the same with Wainwright. But for what purpose? And where were they gonna take Jane if they weren't caught? It just seemed like a rushed plan at the end with clear flaws. I doubt we ever really get more info about(hell we still never got anything about what happened to Hightower) but its all interesting to think about.

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team and part of the danger. As O'Laughlin showed 2 years ago, the people you ally with, some crimes with for so long in an instant can turn into the enemies like that and she probably was aware of that. But @anitaward1 was right, something did change about her persona. After last season, everybody was posting on sites like these that Darcy was the lead candidate to be RJ's friend in the FBI. That would seam a bit too easy, and she's not it(there's a reason she hasn't come on and been described as recovering from the incident--its an easy way to get rid of her from the storyline since she cant come back). There was something odd about how she acted and her aggression, snarkiness and deception in the Red John investigation. Again she's not an RJ mole, but it shows how easy information about the case can spread throughout the FBI and CBI and how easily RJ can find about what's going on there.

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RJ definitely wants to tip toe in the ring with Jane and will get rid of those who interfere with that(hence Rebecca 3 years ago). So I buy the theory of getting rid of Wainwright for that purpose to an extent. But there's more to it than that. I can see Darcy seeing the need to kill some on the team if necessary, I think Wainwright shared that mentality, they never put anybody above the CBI and they had no problem cutting Jane(which is something many had puffed their chest out threatening to do but never pulled the trigger) and remember Darcy thought Jane was involved with RJ when he told her RJ was alive. She never trusted Jane at all, she knew he had been lying to him about RJ for a while blatantly and she connected the dots: She realized Jane basically got away with murder. So I can see why she would feel the need to kill if necessary, I don't think it was really an impulsive thing. She just had no trust in Jane and his team and legitimately thought they could be part of the RJ team and those to be hunted.

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@anitraward1 re susan darcy. yeah, seemed like she went from by-the-book to shoot-to-kill in seconds. she had a hard--n from the start for patrick and the team. then he repeatedly hookwinked her and, error of errors, called her an incompetent seducer. ouch, patrick. does she have a red john connection? don't know. but certainly she and wainwright were linked by a "who the hell does patrick jane think he is" mindset. maybe she was connected to rj and was making a play to be his reigning insider at the fbi/cbi. she didn't realize that red john's relationship with law enforcement is only fun if jane is there. the only thing more fun would be having jane join him. the point's been made before, (maybe by you) red john wants jane on his case. he likes dancing with jane and doesn't want anyone to cut in. so he removed them. would have if they were his followers or not.

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i'm looking at statistics of inside jobs. work theft/70%. computer crime/80%. identity theft/80%. frauds/60%. art theft/80%. couldn't find anything about murders of employees by cult killers. but inside jobs seem to be what all the popular people are doing these days. certainly cbi agents would know how to commit crimes and get away with them.

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it will just look like the writers were too lazy or lacked the creativity to come up with something more than inside jobs. Because I dont really think there's some huge super theme about all these inside jobs. There are just too many unanswered questions that have piled up over the years. I hope we can just get some of those questions answered though. It's weird, if someone told you about a show that was entirely based on inside jobs, you'd probably have some idea in your mind of some crazy, evil, scary show that crazy people like and is all about nastiness. Well, that show is the Mentalist, and it comes across as a fun, charming show with brilliance individually. In other words, what you would think of first about a show based on inside jobs is the exact opposite of what the Mentalist is.




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