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I never considered Mashburn or his one night stand with Lisbon one of the loose threads. Those things do happen. But Kristina Frye, Rosalind Harker, Hightower, Wainwright, Alexa Schultz, Mancini, Robert Kirkland, Erica Flynn, Jane’s father, LaRoche (remember that Tupperware container?), Agent Darcy, Lorelei, and now we’ve got Brenda Shettrick and A.D.A. Ardiles added to the ever-growing list. Like I said, more loose threads every season. Leaves me wondering what new thread we’ll get tonight.

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Yeah if there's one thing that's become apparent to me the past 18 months now it's that this show isn't going to tie together most of the loose ends. Reading between the lines of what Bruno says and based on the show keeps piling on rather than sewing them together, there is going to be alot unanswered and while I'm not sure we're at the stage where the show is driving aimlessly waiting until the end, but it's not implausible either which is something I would have never thought would be the case 2 yrs ago. I'll say this though: some of these aren't really loose ends, just deep fans hypothesizing everything. I wouldn't call for ex Lisbon sleeping with Mashburn a loose end, just an interesting part of her character. Perhaps out of character(although maybe not as much as we say) but that happens with people, they do things you don't expect them to do and you can't really give a justification or deeper reason as to why.

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I agree about the loose threads. I keep waiting every season for at least a few of these threads to be tied together but all we get are more loose threads. It’s starting to look like the floor of a denim textile factory. The writers have a lot of work to do. I’ve wondered for a long time if they really have a final destination in mind or if they’re going to drive around aimlessly until the show gets the axe. That would be a tragic end for a fantastic saga.

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Euterpe, I do like the idea that the real Red John is in league somehow with Stiles. I once suggested it was Mashburn, but there's the problem of him being absent from the show for so long, as have others who are otherwise prime suspects. For viewers who don't follow the show closely it could be confusing to bring back someone unknown to them. Problem is all the dropped threads. Example: Lisbon having sex with Mashburn! How out of character! That alone put Mashburn on my suspect list. Also Kristina, a prime suspect for many reasons. Is her catatonic state real or faked? Were these threads created for possible use later but have now been discarded? Hard to make a case when we don't know a viable thread from a disgarded one.

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cont... However, as far as we know, RJ has never killed outside the state of California, unless you count Wainwright, who was apparently killed by the FBI. He was though kidnapped and transported across state lines, which would be in the FBI’s jurisdiction. However, the FBI had already been involved in the investigation long before the commission of this crime. My point being, if the FBI was already closely following the Red John case without being contacted by the CBI (remember Minelli wasn’t aware of their involvement) that means RJ has had connections with the FBI maybe from the beginning.

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RJ's connection to the FBI is of utmost importance if, as we have been shown, RJ already had connections in that agency before Jane was hired at the CBI. The FBI does not monitor closely every single killing that takes place in the US. Even the investigation of a serial killer is not within their jurisdiction unless the killer kills across state lines or the local agency asks the FBI for assistance. In "Red Dawn" Lisbon says that the CBI had taken over the RJ investigation just two months prior. So, before that we can assume the killings were being investigated by the law enforcement agencies of the locations in which the murders occurred, since the ten murders up to that point had not all occurred in Sacramento.

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@b&w&r yeah. see you on the other side.

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Who is Red Jhon ?

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By the way are we moving this over to the season 5 episode 13 review page discussion after tonight's episode?

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I dont think Bruno ever said outright we've seen him before, I know in an interview before the season he said we might have seen him already. Also, I don't think its that hard to hear about things like people talking about you on TV shows, after all he is Red John, a man with all kinds of ties across the CBI, FBI and across the state with more friends than Paris Hilton. Word can get out pretty easily, remember, it barely took him anytime at all to kill Panzer and that was the same deal. As for the whole RJ monitoring Jane, we know the FBI was on this years ago as soon as Jane came into the CBI, that is probably RJ's main source of information about Jane. I don't know if RJ really knew Jane before the murder, my guess is he probably had some rough idea of him but really his intrigue for him came after murdering his family. I don't think that's something that's going to be a big deal as the show goes on, I doubt they really elaborate on that idea.




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