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@b&w&r i was wondering whether the promo was dull because everything else would have tipped their hand. i do think this episode is going to reverberate through the rest of the season. didn't know about a tenth anniversary for lisbon. is that how long she's been with the cbi? would imply she got promoted instantly. or maybe just as head of the unit? that's why she re-evaluates and contemplates her future>
@bonaduz ok. no methadone. i'll go cold turkey. bruno has sold another pilot to cbs. think it's about a woman lawyer. simon's a good actor and definitely has the legs for it, but i don't think that's happening.

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Getting back to a discussion earlier, I have a hard time really judging Wainwright. All year I was convinced there was some Red John plot or connection with him. It turns out there was but for a long time everything seemed set up for him to be a Red John minion--he just seemed too uptight, earnest and professional for something not to be up. It clouded my judgment of him. The fact that it seems like he was really genuine is a hard idea to accept, it took a while after the opener(even after the finale I still held out an idea that we found out Wainwright had a secret past that tied to RJ). Looking back now, he did have a rod up his ass and as others's said, it was all about the CBI and their interests with him. He never quite tolerated the idea that Jane's value closing cases should be enough to put up with his semantics, the sacrifice @huisclothes described well with the 90 yr old model.

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@mimi:Simon was on Ellen for about 15 min. with one commercial break. They talked about his home in Australia, Birds and that Ellen wanted his address, because she is going down under! He said, that he just came back 2 weeks ago, but was ready to go back already again! She also got him to dance a little that "gangman style" dance - funny! They showed a short clip from the Mentalist, didn't talk about the show though. I'm sure it will be on youtube in a cupple of days! @huisclothes: PLEASE seek help before you take Methadone! It's just a show, lol!!!! Maybe Bruno Heller will come up with another show starring Simon Baker in the future - who knows. They seem to be tight together. @anitraward1: you gave me LOTS to think about - thank's!

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@anitraward1: very interesting stuff, definitely beyond the realms of how I think. I agree with @huisclothes that the promo wasn't anything riveting--it appears to be another episode, but like I said earlier, I think the subtle details, the little bits of information come across this episode are going to be important later in the year. The Visualize-Red John connection by itself doesn't have to come across as a huge splash and generate waves but this could be the foundation of laying information for some far more adventurous and dramatic events later in the season. I'd be surprised if we come away from this weekend's episode not thinking it was important, if nothing else they are celebrating the 10 year anniversary for Lisbon, that's got to be symbolic and there might be a reason there doing that now(although we probably won't realize what it was until after the fact)

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@anitraward1. just read part 2 of your comment. so you are envisioning a red john connection. and the comments you cite from brett stiles could be interpreted in a daddy dearest sort of way. and this is the door jane is opening. the boy wonder has a genetic predisposition toward serial killer-y. whoa.

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@anitraward1 hmmm. jane and his father. very oedipal web you weave. was surprised your comment ended with him joining visualize. !!! thought you were going for a red john connection. the visualize thing is very interesting and clever. i like it. i always thought, jane would have just tossed money to the old man every month or in a one big wad. any sadness poppa might display upon losing his precious son (sounds like a dickens scenario or sasha baron cohen in les miz), was about money. jane's smart and practical. he would buy pop off and get on with his new life.
doesn't mean his father isn't an evil son of a bitch but he did seem like a real loser to me. like when he went off to play poker with the boys at the carnival, you know they were gonna hand him his ass.
the elder jane and visualize. wouldn't that be a kick in the head?

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Continued-A trait that could be triggered under some kind of extreme emotional stress? Soooo....Jane makes a comment about someone he knows. He said that person was lonely and sad. Hummmm......That person wipes out Jane's who family. Jane pretty much wiped out his father's family and business when he left and the killer, Red John, pretty much does the same thing to Jane! Tit for Tat! The killer leaves a note that starts with Mister, not Mr. Sometimes a parent may use a term like this when they are chastising a child for doing something wrong.

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Continued-A place to grow and indulge some of your better thoughts about the world you live in and the people in it! Bret Stiles did say that Jane was becoming quite the apprentice. The apprentice to who? It would imply that Jane may have worked with someone who trained him in something. It has been said that Jane acts just like just like HIM. Red John! When do people most make these kind of statements? How could two people who don't know each other have personality traits so close to each other without having ever met. Wait! They do know each other! Why would Bret Stiles say if you keep going you might open a door you won't be able to close? Was Mr Stiles referring to a personality trait?

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Continued-so Jane leaves, takes a wife and does well for himself. They both leave a lifestyle that would consider them marks. If you're not in, you are most definately out! Now Jane's father, a possibly divorced man may have some issues with women. There a strong possibly that he may not treat them very well! Now Jane leaves him down on his luck without a hand up. His father is lonely, sad and alone. The son he invested all his time in and groomed for the business, threw it back in his face was walked away. Jane's father could have become very angry about this and had a hard time letting Jane move on with his life. But being down on his luck he couldn't do anything about what his son did to him at that time. Now what is a father to do? He lost his meal ticket, purhaps Visualize would seem like a good place to get a leg up!

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@mim. re: your questions about cancellation, there are those of us who are more fluent in the internecine ways of networks and shows. i'm sure they will chime in. i seem to recall knowing that the mentalist had been re-newed in march of 2012 which may be like early acceptance to a university. could be wrong.
i don't think they're, in general, so very far ahead with scripts. one of my crackpot theories has been that they will design two endings, one for a finale-finale and one that will tee them up for season six. bruno has said that they would give him fair warning so he could wrap things up properly. hope i get fair warning so i can start taking the methadone.




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