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Huisclothes, another reason I keep going back to that episode is because it's dated for 1986. Why? 25 years ago. Why show any of that. what was the point of being that specific?

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@bonaduz yes, i feel terrible for jane. he doesn't care if he lives or dies and he only lives to track red john. he was screwed from the start. he was an abused child. forced to be the primary breadwinner for a venal controlling father who didn't even put his son in school. similar to lorelei's situation, yes?
seems like part of his pursuit of his psychic career was due to repetition compulsion- subconsciously driven to repeat what happened in childhood in hopes of correcting the wrongs. kind of like making soup; not liking it and making it again and again with the same ingredients. jane and lorelei are still driven by a powerful and evil person.
he did get some happy years with angela and charlotte, though sometimes the choice of a spouse can be part of the repetition compulsion. we don't know anything about her. be great if she wasn't a saint at all.

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just read a blogger on the red barn. it's written by tom szentgyorgi, one of my favorites. don't know if the blogger is quoting tom when he states that the episode harks back to 1988, ten years before red john's first murder. did we know rj started in '98? doing the math, we meet jane in 2008, four years after his wife and daughter were murdered in 2004. in 2005, in red dawn, we see jane joining the cbi one year after the murder, at which time there are ten red john victims including carter and janet peak. ten in seven years. by 2010, when jane made his speech to the jury, red john had a total of twenty-eight recorded murders. among them, deutsch, the mall cop, the two film kids, and jacqueline sandoval, the reporter. after that, it was panzer and then, wainwright and somewhere in there, miranda martens. so he's up to at least thirty. i guess. wonder if that red barn is near where jane's carnival used to set up?

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I've been thinking: This 40+ year old Jane had quite a life so far! Childhood? We don't really know, but it seems it wasn't THAT great. At 17 he has do decide if he wants to stay with the show or not. All he ever knew or not! He marries Angela 6/7 years later and starts a new life with her. Away from his friends/family that sees him as a mark now. Then his wife AND his child get brutally murdered - and he finds them. Imagine how THAT feels like! He blames himself and spends time at a clinik. After he gets out he joins the CBI hoping he can find the killer. 9 years later he still hasn't found him, but went through a lot on the way (emotionally and physicly). Nothing he tries pays off. And he does most of this alone, shuts everybody out, lies, decieves, lives basically a double life! How much can one man take? I know, it's just a fictional character, but still, I feel for him! And I wonder if they'll ever address these things later on.

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@watcher. yes. the hug happened in little red book where he helped jane undermine hafner and helped lisbon get into jail to see mrs. carter. i will look again at blood feud to see the difference between his treatment of jane and of lisbon. i too love la roche. think he's smart and decent and lots of fun. hope they bring him back.

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@huisclothes, I think Laroche always liked Lisbon. He hugged her in one episode, then even in Blood Feud he was friendly to Lisbon. Jane he called out on setting things up so Rigsby could legally get away with murder. I really believe Laroche is a good man. He is perhaps a bit socially awkward, but I find that endearing. Or it could just be the demands of his job...he is the CBI version of internal affairs. He has to keep a certain distance to do his job. I really like him. I think people underestimate how smart he is. He sees through Jane's act when most people don't. I wish they would bring him back again.

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on another topic, isn't it odd that brett stiles in red sails in the sunset had developed a real tenderness for patrick? brett always enjoyed jousting with him and respected his mind but they were friendly adversaries. in red sails, he's become avuncular, even parental. wistful at the thought of losing him.
also odd was that in the season four episode, little red book, la roche has suddenly developed affection for patrick and lisbon. assisting jane in getting van pelt re-hired and definitely not a booster of ray hafner. might have been his way of thwarting bertram who turfed him back to internal affairs. when next we see laroche in blood feud, he's reverted back to the laroche of jolly red elf. robo-cop. sneering at lisbon and patrick.
did i miss a meeting?

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@euterpe. a long list and a short list, that seems very sensible. my only issue would be that i can't imagine jane not narrowing that list over the next twelve or thirteen episodes that followed jolly red elf. not like him to take the lazy way out and let la roche do all his narrowing for him.

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@euterpe: Thats really logical and of course I didn't really think of it that much of course, but they could have made that clearer. I still think there was something behind the scenes as to why Minelli and his significance giving him the list totally faded away and why Jane never acted on that list(at least say what the problem with this list is or the circumstances behind it). But yeah, it's not that big of a deal, it was just really odd I remember two years ago seeing it.

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I always thought the two lists Jane got were different. The first list he obtained via Minelli was LaRouche's original list of possible suspects he had already developed when he first arrived. The second list was his "short list", after his interviews and investigation.




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