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@KM, I respect your views, but have no compassion for Lorelei. Everybody wants Jane to get justice for his family. I'm sure the families of Lorelei's victims want justice as well. She is a murderer, has worked with a notorious serial killer for 5 years. Killed or helped RJ kill numerous people. I want her character to end up dead or in prison, so that her victims get justice. For those of you who sympathize with Lorelei, do you also feel bad for O'Laughlin and Rebecca? Timothy Carter? I suspect most of them had tragic pasts. We know Rebecca was abused as a child, Lorelei never was. I don't recall anybody feeling sympathy for Rebecca. If someone can explain this to me I would appreciate it, because I don't really understand where you guys are coming from.

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They're all strong; you have to have strength to not allow your grief to steal your desire to live.. In my opinion, Theresa is the strongest of the three. I see the desire to bring peace out of grief in Lisbon and Jane, but Jane's is based in revenge. I find that I feel compassion for all three and I want freedom from the pain and happiness for their characters.

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I see some similarities between Lorelei's and Jane's childhood. I see similarities between Jane and Lisbon's childhood. All three were forced to care/provide for their parent. All three had single parent. We have evidence that both Jane and Lisbon were physically struck. Lorelei and Lisbon both had younger siblings that they strived to protect. Lorelei lost her sister and Lisbon suceeded in raising hers. Lorelei and Lisbon were educated; Jane is self taught. All three have suffered the loss of family that they loved deeply and they carry that pain forward. Jane followed his parent into a career were he preyed on the vulnerabilities of others. Lorelei turned to crime (she has been incarcerated more than once) and Red John. Lisbon appears to have forgiven her father and chose a career that makes it possible to help/protect vulnerable individuals. As a survivor of child abuse I find the three fascinating from the "Do I allow what happened to govern my life and if so how?" way. They're all strong. Lisbon the strongest of three, IMO. I would feel compassion for them all if they were my neighbors.

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Whoever RJ is, he/she/they have to be 1)smart 2)wealthy 3)cult-leader charismatic 4)politically powerful 5)have the conscience of a mollusk 6)have close connection with law enforcement to infiltrate it extensively and at will 6) physically able to do at least some of the killings 7)not seen as the serial-killer type, but as ordinary-decent type. No one matches all these characteristics, tho some come close. Maybe RJ is a team, each member having one or more of the traits. Roy Tagliaferro was RJ, Sally's husband (as Sally wrote in her suicide note) was RJ. How many RJ's are out there, and who is pulling their strings? Visualize is definitely involved, but how and how closely? Is Stiles one of the team members? Do any of them know who the string puller is?

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@Anitraward1...just read you idea about Jane's father. In some ways, it fits very well. It explains Red John's fascination with Jane and his motivation. The only problem is that Jane's father didn't seem sophisticated enough to pull this off. RJ has lots of devoted followers, connections in high places. Jane's father seemed more a street smart but petty criminal type. But you could be right. They haven't given us any real evidence one way or another so I think your theory has to be considered. My own pet theory is that Red John is Santa Claus. Called Red John because of the suit. Knows when you've been naughty or nice. Used to sliding down chimneys to bypass security. And his minions are really elves. ;-)

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@anitraward1, I agree, i think this is before Red John became Red John. Kind of his Origins story. At least I hope so. That would be interesting

@huisclothes, Lorelei and Jane's backgrounds are not similar to me. She was never abused. Other than a brief time when her mother was alone and struggling, she was raised in a wealthy home. Given a good education. Other than being separated from her sister, her childhood didn't seems bad. I don't pity her. She's a hardened killer, asked Jane to kill Lisbon, and tried to cut off Jane's fingers even after sleeping with him. Nasty piece of work.

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I'm not sayin' I'm right! Like Jane would say, "I'M... JUST... SAYIN'"

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I think they may be taking this thing back to before Red John became Red John. Like I said before Red John's history has been hidden too!

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Also another clue, Why would Red John care about his DNA being found. He must be in the system. You can not find someone who is not in the system if there is not a match. In the episode Throwing Fire Jane's father is wearing pants that look like prison ware! Gray and white striped pants. I questioned that the first time I saw it.

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Huisclothes, I just read your last post, WHHHAAATTT! It looks like you're moving closer to my theory!




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