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@KM, I have to assume Red John kept her around to do more than sleep with who he told her to (he could just hire a hooker for that). I bet she has killed with her own hands, but I am just making an assumption about that. But even if she didn't, she obviously helped red john to kill so she is responsible for those deaths regardless. I'm trying to see it from your and huisclothes perspectives, but having a hard time doing so. I think I've just seen too much in life to have a more forgiving philosophy. I do believe some people can be rehabilitated, but I don't believe serial killers and their accomplices can be. I think in cases like those, something was just wired wrong from the beginning.

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@KM, to be fair they didn't actually say she was a murderer. But I don't see how she could be in a serial killer's inner circle for 5 years and not be. We do know Wainwright is dead, and was kidnapped and held against his will. The law would hold her responsible for that (you don't need to be the person who pulled the trigger, you just need to be part of the conspiracy to commit the crime). She attempted to cut off Jane's fingers. If the police arrived 5 seconds later she would have. She was part of the conspiracy to kill Lisbon - those crimes could easily get her life in prison. And that is just what we've seen in the past few months.

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@ WindowShopper thanks for your opinion. I was not aware of any evidence that revealed that Lorelei was a murderer. Only that she had been arrested previously. Close Captioning does not always put all the details in. I see her as brainwashed. And, yes, I always feel compassion for people, but I recognize that trauma/victimization/grief/et cetera are not justifications and sometimes justice and consequences are the most compassionate actions. The character of Lorelei, if she survives, will need to face the consequence of her choices and hopefully she can no longer allow her past to drive her life in ways that harm her and others.

@ huisclothes you're welcome. May your heart be well.

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Now we are getting to the meat and potatoes of this whole thing! Starting to see the real picture! It's getting good in here. Almost better than the show!

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@window shopper. funny!

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@huisclothes, You guys are seeing something that I just don't. I don't see her as more empathetic or vulnerable than Rebecca. Rebecca was an abused child looking for love and thought RJ loved her. I think O'Laughlin had genuine feelings for Grace. But he still betrayed her and tried to kill Hightower. Wainwright is dead and Lorelei helped make that happen. I don't see how she can be rehabilitated any more than the others. If she turns against Red John, it won't be because she regrets her crimes, it will be because he acted against her family. That is just revenge,not a change of heart. I think we just see this issue very differently and that's fine. And if I'm ever accused of murder, I'll try my best to get you on my jury! (just teasing)

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@windowshopper. none of this means there should be no consequences for lorelei. but she has certainly been made more dimensional than o'laughlin, rebecca or timothy carter. she seems capable of empathy. has a vulnerable quality -- like she could be rehabilitated.
not saying she deserves it. just think it's important to make these contrasts and comparisons. in most stories, each character shows us a different aspect of the theme. i think that's what we're seeing here.

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@huisclothes, I'm not saying she had an ideal childhood. But millions of kids grow up with physical or sexual abuse, drugs in the family, no father, in a ghetto, seeing stuff no child should see. Our prisons are full of them. But many more don't end up in prison. Everybody has a choice in how they deal with adversity. Some choose well (Lisbon.) Some make a few mistakes but don't seriously hurt others (Jane) and some become violent criminals (Lorelei.) I feel the ones who turn criminal should pay for their actions. Personal accountability is very important to me. They say most child abusers were abused themselves as a child. But we still react with disgust and want them in prison. Why is Lorelei different?

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@km thanks for this contribution. interesting, and i know, from the heart.

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@windowshopper. re lorelei and patrick's similar backgrounds. just a theory i'm toying with. lorelei's mom let her prop her up emotionally from the age of five. she exposed her to stuff no kid should see.. lorelei's life in a beautiful home didn't cut any ice with lorelei, lisbon or me. kids in hovels have better childhoods. dana hoodwinked her with lies about her sister's disappearance. lorelei had to collude with her mother against the new dad about the existence of a sister. a child who gets lied to and is forced to lie for years. from this, psychotics are made. both kids had to assume preternaturally mature roles and were isolated from the world by the parent who abused them everyday. they dealt with it differently. jane is more resilient. some kids are. perhaps his child stardom gave him more of a sense of self. lorelei identified with her abusive parent, chose the abusive red john and became abusive herself.




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