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cont'd from below. then scared, yelling for patrick's protection. in red sails in the sunset, she was caustic. she treated patrick like he was a doofus. at the ocean, she was thoughtful, then huddled with him. there was intimacy, maybe a melting of the ice and a realization of what he did for her. in the car driving north, she was insightful and pithy. called patrick on his act and backed him off it. then she starts having fun. seems playful and easygoing. then she beats him - furious and hurt that he broke her trust. then touched and surprised at his understanding with a soupçon of sexual attraction. she's complicated. i don't just sit there thinking "she's a killer." where's the entertainment in that? we like stories because of where they take us. they made me care about a killer. where would i get that except in fiction? volker sucked because all i thought was, "he's a killer."

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back to lorelei. i don't think art (i include tv) exists to make moral points. i enjoy how the writers have manipulated me. i went from warily liking her and being a bit jealous because she slept with him, to seeing her as a cool customer enjoying f--king with jane's head. then i see that eye dropper of humanity when she tells patrick his boyish hopefulness is adorable and tells the palooka to only beat him a little. makes me feel she appreciates what i appreciate. then when she apologizes about the finger, i see her empathizing w/patrick and perhaps taking a big risk by expressing such a feeling where red john could find out. when we next see her with lisbon and jane, she has a cult member quality (a la visualize members in custody) but enjoys rattling lisbon's cage about having sex with patrick. the first real interrogation session finds her powerful, running the show with patrick. cont'd above

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@watcher. yes. lorelei was playing a role. don't think she was necessarily a waitress or a prostitute. she could have had a job or career since it sounds like she was 30-ish when she met red john. since we know she comes from sacramento and red john is based in california, they went to las vegas because that's where jane was. always thought it was weird that jane went to nevada and not lake tahoe which offers similar pastimes but in california. we do know, however, that red john traveled to vegas to kill jacqueline sandoval.
small point. how could the cbi have any jurisdiction in las vegas? the first season episode, red-handed, shows the cops working out where a severed hand lies, nevada or california, in order to determine who gets the case. the feds can go anywhere. red john's crimes (and the team's faux crimes) crossed state lines.

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@Entwife - I agree. I think she was just there to watch Jane and eventually approach him. She told Jane that RJ could give him a new identity, money, a job if he wants one. Sounds like RJ's friends don't necessarily need a regular job. They probably do whatever is helpful to RJ. She may have been doing something completely different for Red John before Jane went to Vegas, then RJ moved her there to get close to Jane. Kind of like a company relocating an employee to another office and job if they have a need. I wonder if Red John provides a dental plan. :-)

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@Mimi - She was acting. She had a role to play - nice, caring, understanding - so she played it. Then she revealed her real self in the interrogation room. I think she was playing Jane at times after he broke her out of prison- she alternated between being angry and trying to lure him in. She is in a vulnerable position and needs allies and it benefits her if Jane likes her. She may have kissed him to make him care about her. Or maybe it was gratitude for letting her go. Or maybe she is genuinely attracted to him. Even killers can be genuinely attracted to people or occasionally feel grateful (they are still human beings with emotions)- but they are still killers.

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@BW&R - I don't put her in a different tier than RJ's other friends. I think she is exactly the same as the others. All of them should be locked up forever. Lorelei and the rest of them chose to work for rj- nobody forced them. I don't care if they were damaged. I would be shocked if they weren't - well adjusted people generally don't become serial killers or their accomplices. Did anybody expect Lorelei to have Ward and June Cleaver or Cliff and Clair Huxtable for parents? Whether they knew what they were getting into or not at the beginning is irrelevant. But I think they must have. RJ is well publicized.

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While Lorelei was perhaps acting the role of a prostitute and that was certainly my initial impression of her, it may be that she was only there surveilling Jane for Red John. Jane certainly had no money to pay her and she knew it. A prostitute who wasn't bringing in business for her manager with multiple liaisons would be in big trouble. Also a woman acting as a prostitute in a bar which most likely was territory to its own manager and hooker would be in big trouble. So maybe she was acting as a simple bar fly, waiting for an opportunity to open Red John's transaction with Patrick Jane.

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I think it's weird because when they meet at the bar and when they kiss in the motel room she seems genuienly nice and caring. then you see the difference when she's in the questioning room, it's so blunt.
and I think it's a bit ambiguous when Jane picks her up in the desert and they spend the day together, then she kisses him, why does she do that? I mean she wanted to kill him a few weeks prior to that and then what game is she playing? jane has already sussed her out so..

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it's just interesting she went all the way to the bottom of the dumps as a prostitute. Most in well off families who have big problems still try at some job or something and can usually fetch some position through family or their status. They don't let themselves degrade into the position Lorelei has. So in that sense, I can see why she is looked at differently. But still, I think it's a bit much to put her on a different tier of assain than RJ's other friends. Her mother clearly had a nastiness to her, as would any family that lies about something like a sister. Those with the most money and power can be the most cunning and damaging to kids if they themselves are vile. One thing that is interesting I want to know; how long after Red John killed her sister did she approach Lorelei? And why did he kill the sister? Opportunity? We still don't know RJ's real motives for doing what he does, killing as he so desires.

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I still think people are overzealous towards Lorelei, mostly because the show has set it up so that she'd look so devilish and show no signs of character. My main point in that ramble was this, think about all the damaged people there are in this world, if someone as charming as Red John came about, offered them something different, something with a bad side but exciting, how many would take it? RJ is the master manipulator, nobody initially signs up for all this, its only through years of development they become what they are. Nobody signs up to murder their fiancee. The one thing different about Lorelei though is all these CBI agents at least worked, became something, and had respectable positions. Lorelei was in the dumps working in Vegas despite coming from such a rich family. Now, like I said before, rich doesn't mean better, it often means more manipulative, powerful, arrogant and full of egos. And all that clearly got to Lorelei with the sister fascade, it's just interesting she went all the way to the bottom of the dumps as a prostitute. Most in well off families who have big problems still try at some job or something. They don't let themselves degrade into the position Lorelei has. So in that sense, I can see why she is looked at differently. But still, I think it's a bit much to put her on a different tier of assain than RJ's other friends. Her mother clearly had a nastiness to her, as would any family that lies about something like a sister. One thing that is interesting I want to know; how long after Red John killed her sister did she approach Lorelei? And why did he kill the sister? Opportunity? We still don't know RJ's real motives for doing what he does, killing as he so desires.




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