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Michael, if fear of loss of a loved one controlled everybody's life, no one would ever get involved with another single human being anywhere. Countless numbers of police and fire people, along with soldiers and others in the military get involved with, engaged to, and married to one another every day of the week. That is especially true with the real life NCIS agency. So, knowing all of the dangers, I have a feeling that Tony and Ziva will get involved with one another and will probably be engaged or even married by the time the series ends.
Actually the shooter was probably only aware that Ziva and Eli were daughter and father, fairly common knowledge, even the arms dealer Aga Bayar knew that, but it's not an intimate detail. The Iranians played on the connection when they tried to frame Ziva in S4 Shalom. If the shooter had had intimate knowledge, he would have known they were estranged, and that her reaction might have been less predictable.
Great episode, and I actually think it sets the stage for Ziva and Tony -- eventually. I think it was interesting that this episode followed the one about Tony and his dad. Those two characters have become so close this year and last -- it is hard to imagine them with anyone else. The discussion of the pseudo-pregnancy photos was also interesting. Ziva clearly would like a child, but she would not want a child born into such a dangerous life.
As heartbreaking as Ziva's situation was with walking out on her father at the dinner table just before his death, I wonder even more about Vance. He not only lost a wife, but now his two children are motherless, and in the background was SecNav trying to contact everyone by cell phone. SecNav is not warm and fuzzy, and you have to wonder if he's going to fire Vance because he has too much emotional baggage on his plate to go forward. Correct me if I'm wrong,but aren't both Cote's and Rocky's contracts up at the end of this season?
It has occurred to me that someone might not be dead -- a plot twist that has been used elsewhere to smoke out a perpetrator. But Ziva's mourning as too real; she had told her father his sins were too deep, and she never had the chance to make peace with him.
It's another one of those episodes that will evoke tears, just remembering how powerful it was. I really liked Jackie Vance.
One must wonder if Ziva's father is really dead, as well as Vance's wife!!
I wonder if she's really dead . . . they never showed her body, like Eli's. Just pretending to protect her. Um.
Janet, you want Tony to give Jackie some TLC? kinky.... but rather Jackie than Ziva..hoping Ziva dies avenging her father......
This was a good episode and you have to feel sad for both Ziva and Vance. It will be interesting how Gibbs handles this, knowing that both of them will want vengeance, just like he did, and wonder if he will help them or try to stop them.
In the end, will Gibbs be the voice of reason
We never found out what Eli and the Iranian had planned. Were they looking to broker a peace deal between Israel and Iran, or some more sinister. Both of them likely sick of decades of violence and maybe wanting to have their lasting legacy be peace between their countries.
As I put in the comments on the review section, I'll reiterate. I did not think the writers could pull anything out of their hats significant enough that would/could make me like the Ziva character. I stand corrected. I felt for her and that is epic. Kudos to all the actors in their portrayals. Now I just have to get through part 2 next week to see if the writers can keep me caring about Ziva. At least this Eli mess shouldn't end with her asking Gibbs to kick Tony to the curb this time. That will be a good start. The Tony and Gibbs vigil in the waiting room was amazing as was both Tim & Tony being unable to tell her Eli was dead And Mark's face at the end was heartbreaking.
I think Schmeel has something to do with Eli's death.
I have seldom watched anything this well done. I know these people are actors, but I was truly moved to tears. This is real art.
Could it be that Mossad and the CIA want to start a war
I think it was melenchi .
I think Doug may have a point. Eli was obviously too "old school" for Mossad and they wanted him out.......
I watch the show for three reasons ... (1) Ziva, (2) McGee, and (3) Abby. I absolutely cannot abide the Dinozzo character.
I also think these has shown the Tiva fan why Tony and Ziva can't and should not hook up because of what happen in Shabbat Shalom could happen to them let just hope the accepted that.
There no reason for them to fake Jackie death she not a agent nor does she know anything it would make more sense for it to be Ziva father
I'm with you, Doug. I think the assassination of Eli was engineered by Mossad. Iran is too obvious. The only other option is the United States. Whichever it turns out to be, I think it will all boil down to avoiding a war, especially in light of the secrecy of Eli's and the Iranian's meetings. An outsider might conclude that Eli was cultivating a personal relationship with Iran that was contrary to the greater good. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
i think we have a perfect show it has everything and last night proved cote de pablo was incredable just shows how a good actress she is.ive a feeling mrs vance didnt die or at least i hope not.next week hope to see tony giving her some TLC its due.
This ep hit a ratings high for the season. NCIS is still, and will remain, No. 1!!!
I was in total shock over Mrs. Vance's death and didn't think it was necessary to kill her off. I loved the love they shared and that there was at least one happy couple on the show.
Can someone answer something for me these is a drama show about our Navy people die whats the big deal How can the fan want TWO agent to hook up and be okay with that BUT get all bitches when they do a death on a CRIME show.
Give NCIS the Emmy Award for Best Dramatic Show1 They deserve it. Yesterday's episode was very moving. Cote de Pablo is a very talented actress. I would also like to give a special mention to Michael Nouri (Eli) and the actress that played Mrs. Vance for all the stories that they were in.
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