Elena should have known something will go terribly wrong when Damon said two things: that he's happy and that they should have one secret selfish day to themselves. Because a) Damon has never been happy in his life and b) when all you want is one day, you can bet it's gonna get ruined.
I was so prepared for a major depression after this episode that I was surprised it turned out to be not so bad. Mostly due to what the (of course as always) black witch said about vampires being sired only if they had real human feelings before the transition. The look on Stefan's face when she said it - priceless. Sorry to burst your bubble, Stef.
Special shoutout to Tyler for cheering Elena up with the whole acting vs feeling thing. Way to go, Ty.
Dipdab
December 7th, 2012 7:07 AM
That Delena scene at the beginning...Hot!! Even if it wasn't Delena, it still was insanely hot....anyways, I hate how they've spent most of the four seasons all being about Stelena, and now that its finally damons turn, they just have to keep ruining it or making it a problem between elena and him...I gotta say, I missed Klaus in this ep, and I was happy to see Lexie return.
San
December 7th, 2012 6:51 AM
(continued) And speaking of this whole sire thing, how exactly are these hybrids free after Tyler's whole Alpha speech tonight? They all got on bended knee after!
Well, I guess that's a wolf thing because they live in packs and every pack needs a leader. Obviously werewolves WANT to be led my someone.
All in all a good episode, but I really hope Caroline pulls herself together now.
San
December 7th, 2012 6:50 AM
Unfortunately, that includes having a sexy scene completely marred with Caroline Forbes intensity and whining.
That was indeed beyond annoying. Why the hell do the writers do that? I hope they don't keep it up that way.
Actually, last week and this episode I was wondering if Caroline is so keen on judging Elena because she herself started to realise she's falling for Klaus? Some weird kind of yelling out how bad Damon (Klaus) and how good Stefan (Tyler) is maybe?
I might be thinking too simply considering Mystic Falls is a complicated little place, but can't Damon just order her to make her own decisions?
I was thinking the same thing! I don't see any real problems here... Damon will never do anything to hurt Elena, she totally trusts him. So?
This was the first episode in a VERY long time I liked Elena. Her dancing, her smiling, her flirting, standing up to save Caroline - great!
And speaking of this whole sire thing, how exactly are these hybrids
Fudgefase
December 7th, 2012 6:41 AM
Stefan offered human Elena safety and security, unquestioning love and adoration. That's great - but vampire Elena is less in need of a saviour and more in need of an equal and a lover. That's what Damon offers. She is stronger and faster etc etc now and less in need of protection. I just wish they'd have let Damon and Elena (I refuse this horrible combined names fad) stay together. It does NOT have to be about Stefan.
Teira
December 7th, 2012 6:37 AM
@Ilk vomit am a hundred per cent wit ya plec please do sum here!!!!!!!!!!!!bonnie needs help.
lovestruck
December 7th, 2012 6:35 AM
Could elena just stick with Damon and Stefan have his own spin off or something,I just really hoping he finds someone who loves him.0
TVDFan
December 7th, 2012 5:52 AM
i don't get why Caroline is portrayed in a negative light!!she's just looking out for her friend....if Klaroline's ever gonna to happen(finger's crossed) and if Elena's ever gonna get over herself then we would expect the same thing from her....wouldn't we??missed Klaus in this episode......Shane guy is very intriguing!!
Samthwoo Rank: Guest Star
December 7th, 2012 5:30 AM
Die elena die!!!! Screw the vamps for a second. Tyler lockwood was sexy as all get out being ALPHA. Jeez, that had me HOT!!!! Alpha tyler is awesome sauce. Ohhh alpha tyler against klaus. Sexy sexy sexy. Oh and Ireally wish everybody would stop saving elana and help bonnie cause girlfriend bout to get in a whole world of trouble with prof creepy.
i hope they address wht damon and stefan arnt sired to katerine?was it cos she wasnt around wen they turned, but then when she showed up wouldnt they feel the need to make her happy?i really dont get d/e, although i do see them as great friends and allies always needing each other. just not in a romantic sense.also i feel with this elena turning/sire bond is a really cheap shot from the writers to have d/e together.it should have being done in s3, when elena was human. it would havew being more real for damon. but to then have all that crap about it always being stefan and spending eternity with stefan, for weeks later (maybe less in tvd timeline)for her to shack up with his brother. the writers could only have d/e together if they changed elena. but way to go to ruin both couples. as for elena who thinks her brother is the most important thing and would not want to lose him. why is she causing such a rift between the brothers? also people saying she smiles more now, am glad she had fu
Ilk_vomit Rank: Regular Character
December 7th, 2012 4:24 AM
Damm your all a bunch of sappy love stick people..You wanna know who I hope ends up with Elena ?? HELL I dont give a shit......All the show needs is ELIJAH ... Now !!!!!
Obvious
December 7th, 2012 3:54 AM
@guest
OMg, I know exactly what you mean I've seen that movie more time than I would like to admit
I swear they are trying to de-sex-ify every one of their scenes, first with the Caroline voice over then THAT song, come on tvd. Out of all the music, and the previous stellar track record you have, and you chose that one!SMH.
Black barbie
December 7th, 2012 3:33 AM
What about klaroline am expecting their relation to go far willn't forbes need support from el.they both need support from one another i don't think damon will apologize.for some clear and sensitive reasons.and why would he?am proud of stefan.every things that he does no matter how they are he knows that his brother counts more.i think the triangle will be ended by delena thats my POV.
Audrina
December 7th, 2012 3:02 AM
I don't understand how anyone, esoecially Elena, can expect Caroline to support a Damon-Elena relationship given everything that Damon did to Caroline. Her whining, I think, was appropriate. Why would she be happy? Damon systematically abused Caroline mentally, emotionally, and physically while simultaneously stripping her of her autonomy as a human being. Elena asking Caroline to support her relationship with the man who once regularly abused her is nothing short of insensitive. I think Caroline, more than almost anyone, has right to hate Damon.
fortyseven Rank: Regular Character
December 7th, 2012 2:36 AM
Damon and Caroline are the ones who need to talk. "I'm sorry for raping you." - Damon "I'm sorry for being a hypocritical bitch" - Caroline
C
December 7th, 2012 2:17 AM
To those of you who are wondering why elena's feelings for Stefan aren't magnified have you guys ever stopped to think that maybe her feelings for him towards the end of season 3 just weren't that great to begin with? Being a vampire probably made her more confident about the decisions she couldn't as a human, and that's why she's no longer with Stefan. Then again, just a possibility.
Royce donavan
December 7th, 2012 1:33 AM
@Peyton:if it gets to the humanity i don't think that it can be damon they both know it(delena)elena said that it will always be stefen,when it comes to her choice.
AliceGranger Rank: Guest Star
December 7th, 2012 1:19 AM
The thing is…Caroline is justified in her opinion.
It doesn’t have to disrupt Delena. AT ALL. If there had been just one line about Caroline remembering how Damon treated her. The episode could have ended the exact same way with Caroline agreeing to keep her opinions to herself and Elena wanting to be with Damon, I just wish they had included why Caroline is so anti-Damon instead of making her sound so irrational. Because being compelled, raped and fed on is a really good reason to not like a guy and not want him sleeping with your best friend.
Maybe it’s the rewatch of early season 1 that I’m doing but when Elena called out Caroline on “jumping into bed” with Damon, I just found that really insensitive. Elena, do you not remember her breaking down, sobbing in your arms, covered in bites and bruises, saying that she’s fine but obviously knowing she wasn’t? God knows Caroline is rash and judgmental…but have you forgotten where she’s coming from?
cicci
December 7th, 2012 1:18 AM
what I don't understand is if ur feelings intensify more after u become a vampire, why is she not madly crazy in love with stefan? but her love for Damon increased
GeekyDiorGirl Rank: Extra
December 7th, 2012 1:17 AM
If you want a tv show catered to your every whim and idea then write one yourself. It is their job to write a compelling storyline. Let it entertain you. Stop all the whining and just enjoy the story!
Also, as soon as I saw Madeline Zima I knew her character was going to be crazy. She oozes that crazy lady vibe.
Mike g
December 7th, 2012 12:14 AM
What's with all the writers here being Delena shippers?
guest
December 7th, 2012 12:11 AM
lol the put that song , from the twilight movie
Adrian
December 7th, 2012 12:07 AM
Oh Sarah, go have a sook.
mg
December 6th, 2012 11:59 PM
I think Mr sanctimonious Ripper of Monterey needs to dial back the judgement level for once and should take a real good look at himself. I get why Caroline doesn like Damon but seriously to say that being a ripper is better than being a man slut is taking it a little too far.
who else loved the fact that Elena brought up Stefan's ripper personality to defend Damon. LOL
Amy Lynn
December 6th, 2012 11:58 PM
I think people aren't understanding that at no point did they say "this happens every single time a human loves a vampire before being turned". They said its very uncommon but this is how it is when it does happen… so I don't think the writers are being sloppy. People just aren't listening.
Damon: She's strong and crafty and you'll die. Elena: At least I'll die trying.
Rank: Guest Star
December 7th, 2012 7:17 AM
Elena should have known something will go terribly wrong when Damon said two things: that he's happy and that they should have one secret selfish day to themselves. Because a) Damon has never been happy in his life and b) when all you want is one day, you can bet it's gonna get ruined.
I was so prepared for a major depression after this episode that I was surprised it turned out to be not so bad. Mostly due to what the (of course as always) black witch said about vampires being sired only if they had real human feelings before the transition. The look on Stefan's face when she said it - priceless. Sorry to burst your bubble, Stef.
Special shoutout to Tyler for cheering Elena up with the whole acting vs feeling thing. Way to go, Ty.
December 7th, 2012 7:07 AM
That Delena scene at the beginning...Hot!! Even if it wasn't Delena, it still was insanely hot....anyways, I hate how they've spent most of the four seasons all being about Stelena, and now that its finally damons turn, they just have to keep ruining it or making it a problem between elena and him...I gotta say, I missed Klaus in this ep, and I was happy to see Lexie return.
December 7th, 2012 6:51 AM
(continued)
And speaking of this whole sire thing, how exactly are these hybrids free after Tyler's whole Alpha speech tonight? They all got on bended knee after!
Well, I guess that's a wolf thing because they live in packs and every pack needs a leader. Obviously werewolves WANT to be led my someone.
All in all a good episode, but I really hope Caroline pulls herself together now.
December 7th, 2012 6:50 AM
Unfortunately, that includes having a sexy scene completely marred with Caroline Forbes intensity and whining.
That was indeed beyond annoying. Why the hell do the writers do that? I hope they don't keep it up that way.
Actually, last week and this episode I was wondering if Caroline is so keen on judging Elena because she herself started to realise she's falling for Klaus? Some weird kind of yelling out how bad Damon (Klaus) and how good Stefan (Tyler) is maybe?
I might be thinking too simply considering Mystic Falls is a complicated little place, but can't Damon just order her to make her own decisions?
I was thinking the same thing! I don't see any real problems here... Damon will never do anything to hurt Elena, she totally trusts him. So?
This was the first episode in a VERY long time I liked Elena. Her dancing, her smiling, her flirting, standing up to save Caroline - great!
And speaking of this whole sire thing, how exactly are these hybrids
December 7th, 2012 6:41 AM
Stefan offered human Elena safety and security, unquestioning love and adoration. That's great - but vampire Elena is less in need of a saviour and more in need of an equal and a lover. That's what Damon offers. She is stronger and faster etc etc now and less in need of protection. I just wish they'd have let Damon and Elena (I refuse this horrible combined names fad) stay together. It does NOT have to be about Stefan.
December 7th, 2012 6:37 AM
@Ilk vomit am a hundred per cent wit ya plec please do sum here!!!!!!!!!!!!bonnie needs help.
December 7th, 2012 6:35 AM
Could elena just stick with Damon and Stefan have his own spin off or something,I just really hoping he finds someone who loves him.0
December 7th, 2012 5:52 AM
i don't get why Caroline is portrayed in a negative light!!she's just looking out for her friend....if Klaroline's ever gonna to happen(finger's crossed) and if Elena's ever gonna get over herself then we would expect the same thing from her....wouldn't we??missed Klaus in this episode......Shane guy is very intriguing!!
Rank: Guest Star
December 7th, 2012 5:30 AM
Die elena die!!!! Screw the vamps for a second. Tyler lockwood was sexy as all get out being ALPHA. Jeez, that had me HOT!!!! Alpha tyler is awesome sauce. Ohhh alpha tyler against klaus. Sexy sexy sexy. Oh and Ireally wish everybody would stop saving elana and help bonnie cause girlfriend bout to get in a whole world of trouble with prof creepy.
Rank: Guest Star
December 7th, 2012 5:06 AM
i hope they address wht damon and stefan arnt sired to katerine?was it cos she wasnt around wen they turned, but then when she showed up wouldnt they feel the need to make her happy?i really dont get d/e, although i do see them as great friends and allies always needing each other. just not in a romantic sense.also i feel with this elena turning/sire bond is a really cheap shot from the writers to have d/e together.it should have being done in s3, when elena was human. it would havew being more real for damon. but to then have all that crap about it always being stefan and spending eternity with stefan, for weeks later (maybe less in tvd timeline)for her to shack up with his brother. the writers could only have d/e together if they changed elena. but way to go to ruin both couples. as for elena who thinks her brother is the most important thing and would not want to lose him. why is she causing such a rift between the brothers? also people saying she smiles more now, am glad she had fu
Rank: Regular Character
December 7th, 2012 4:24 AM
Damm your all a bunch of sappy love stick people..You wanna know who I hope ends up with Elena ?? HELL I dont give a shit......All the show needs is ELIJAH ... Now !!!!!
December 7th, 2012 3:54 AM
@guest
OMg, I know exactly what you mean I've seen that movie more time than I would like to admit
I swear they are trying to de-sex-ify every one of their scenes, first with the Caroline voice over then THAT song, come on tvd. Out of all the music, and the previous stellar track record you have, and you chose that one!SMH.
December 7th, 2012 3:33 AM
What about klaroline am expecting their relation to go far willn't forbes need support from el.they both need support from one another i don't think damon will apologize.for some clear and sensitive reasons.and why would he?am proud of stefan.every things that he does no matter how they are he knows that his brother counts more.i think the triangle will be ended by delena thats my POV.
December 7th, 2012 3:02 AM
I don't understand how anyone, esoecially Elena, can expect Caroline to support a Damon-Elena relationship given everything that Damon did to Caroline. Her whining, I think, was appropriate. Why would she be happy? Damon systematically abused Caroline mentally, emotionally, and physically while simultaneously stripping her of her autonomy as a human being. Elena asking Caroline to support her relationship with the man who once regularly abused her is nothing short of insensitive. I think Caroline, more than almost anyone, has right to hate Damon.
Rank: Regular Character
December 7th, 2012 2:36 AM
Damon and Caroline are the ones who need to talk. "I'm sorry for raping you." - Damon "I'm sorry for being a hypocritical bitch" - Caroline
December 7th, 2012 2:17 AM
To those of you who are wondering why elena's feelings for Stefan aren't magnified have you guys ever stopped to think that maybe her feelings for him towards the end of season 3 just weren't that great to begin with? Being a vampire probably made her more confident about the decisions she couldn't as a human, and that's why she's no longer with Stefan. Then again, just a possibility.
December 7th, 2012 1:33 AM
@Peyton:if it gets to the humanity i don't think that it can be damon they both know it(delena)elena said that it will always be stefen,when it comes to her choice.
Rank: Guest Star
December 7th, 2012 1:19 AM
The thing is…Caroline is justified in her opinion.
It doesn’t have to disrupt Delena. AT ALL. If there had been just one line about Caroline remembering how Damon treated her. The episode could have ended the exact same way with Caroline agreeing to keep her opinions to herself and Elena wanting to be with Damon, I just wish they had included why Caroline is so anti-Damon instead of making her sound so irrational. Because being compelled, raped and fed on is a really good reason to not like a guy and not want him sleeping with your best friend.
Maybe it’s the rewatch of early season 1 that I’m doing but when Elena called out Caroline on “jumping into bed” with Damon, I just found that really insensitive. Elena, do you not remember her breaking down, sobbing in your arms, covered in bites and bruises, saying that she’s fine but obviously knowing she wasn’t? God knows Caroline is rash and judgmental…but have you forgotten where she’s coming from?
December 7th, 2012 1:18 AM
what I don't understand is if ur feelings intensify more after u become a vampire, why is she not madly crazy in love with stefan? but her love for Damon increased
Rank: Extra
December 7th, 2012 1:17 AM
If you want a tv show catered to your every whim and idea then write one yourself. It is their job to write a compelling storyline. Let it entertain you. Stop all the whining and just enjoy the story!
Also, as soon as I saw Madeline Zima I knew her character was going to be crazy. She oozes that crazy lady vibe.
December 7th, 2012 12:14 AM
What's with all the writers here being Delena shippers?
December 7th, 2012 12:11 AM
lol the put that song , from the twilight movie
December 7th, 2012 12:07 AM
Oh Sarah, go have a sook.
December 6th, 2012 11:59 PM
I think Mr sanctimonious Ripper of Monterey needs to dial back the judgement level for once and should take a real good look at himself. I get why Caroline doesn like Damon but seriously to say that being a ripper is better than being a man slut is taking it a little too far.
who else loved the fact that Elena brought up Stefan's ripper personality to defend Damon. LOL
December 6th, 2012 11:58 PM
I think people aren't understanding that at no point did they say "this happens every single time a human loves a vampire before being turned". They said its very uncommon but this is how it is when it does happen… so I don't think the writers are being sloppy. People just aren't listening.