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hi rationalgal. interesting about red john and patrick renouncing their bloodthirsty ways. my vote: if red john's a surgeon and he saves lisbon, i hope patrick would (and should) kill him with his own scalpel the minute he puts in the last stitch. but that's just me. just because they renounce doesn't mean i renounce, i guess.

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hey anitraward1. your thought about jane finding that red john is less powerful at manipulating lorelei, is interesting. and of course, she won't be able to resist getting to the bottom of it. (maybe she'll become as obsessed with killing him as jane.) however, to me, the character's more interesting if he finds himself less single-minded than he thinks he is. don't forget that when lisbon (in crimson ticket) told him not to get roped into her game, patrick said he had known her approaching him was a machination all along. untrue. he was needy and took comfort in this lovely woman. he was genuinely surprised when she turned our to be red john's emissary. each time patrick makes a point of his cool clarity when it comes to lorelei, he does a very clear non-verbal contradiction the moment lisbon leaves.

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That was a tasty little treat. Good possible ending Rationalgal!

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This Red John thing keeps bothering me. I'm thinking the murder of Jane's family changed both men. Jane gave up his hucksterism and Red John gave up his serial killing (just kills for specific Jane-related reasons now). Timothy Carter mouthed RJ's words at the shopping mall when he talked about retiring and urged Jane to get on with his life also. The series ending may have both coming to an understanding of each other rather than a knock-down-drag-out fight. RJ has money, influence and perhaps surgical skills. Drives around in a limo. Is he a highly paid surgeon? How many doctors have we seen in the series? I vaguely remember one. If Lisbon is wounded in the final confrontation and near death and a doctor saves her and it turns out to be RJ, Jane would lose all interest in killing him. They could end up friends. Great mystery. Can't wait to see how it really ends.

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Jane knows Red John uses damaged people who are weak. Jane let Lorelie go because he saw her as weak. If she comes back Jane will know that Red John's skills are not greater than his. Lorelie thinks what she and Jane had meant something and Jane will use that to gain knowledge about Red John. But believe Red John has a built in fail safe! I think Jane is getting tired of the cat and mouse game and wants to see Red John's head on a stick!

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I saw that and thought he showed more of a parental type fondness. You could be right about him gaining more knowledge about Jane. I believe that it is the emotional part that he will try to use against Jane. If you remember right Jane said he would marry her if he had too. Jane does not care about Lorelie and he will use her like she's using him. Lorelie seems to be using the info to bring him down. Jane is not as dumb as he's appearing to be about her.

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many ideas about the nature of red john's relationship with jane have been put forth. here's mine. brett stiles says, "it's a kind of love, patrick." patrick says, regarding red john recruiting him, "i'd be giving him his heart's desire." in "red sky in the morning," red john lovingly strokes his shoulder and chest. guess where i'm going with this? i think there's a strong homoerotic component to red john's obsession with jane. could be subconscious. could be quite conscious and he'll act on it in some way. wouldn't that be a mindblower? red john could have had lorelei bail patrick out, buy him a drink and then drop the bomb about who sent her. instead he had her have sex with him thus using her as his proxy to gain the most intimate knowledge of patrick. carnal knowledge without consent. the law has a word for that, no? you bet red john got lorelei to give him a blow-by-blow account the next day. (joke)

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hi anitra. simon says he's been "the next big thing" over and over again. he didn't have the luxury of waiting for that perfect cool part like other young actors. with a kid to support, he had to take roles that weren't strategic moves for a guy who wanted a film career. even the mentalist is an example of this. film people typecast him as patrick and as just a tv person. he must play a major role in a significant film to change perception. and at 43, it has to be soon. margin call, the killer inside me and next year's i give it a year, are examples of him trying to position himself for that. he's an ambitious and talented man. he's happy to have the money and success, but he wants the respect that a prestige film career would give him. i want very much for him to get it.

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Here's a little Baker trivia! He drove the same car he does now in his Heartbreak Ridge series. I believe the car was silver. You can find it on youtube. You can also find his other series there! Take a peek! Simon Baker has been out there for a long time! He's got to be the hardest working man in the business!

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I can't wait until we get back to msytery solving. I've missed it a great deal. There are some bright minds in this room. Better then any other sites I've seen. This is the best one. We get great reviews and then we can have at it! I probably will never do this again! These types of things don't happen to often. That's why I'm enjoying this as much as I can! The greats come and then they go, and then we wait and wait and wait for the next great! I would love to see Baker in an epic film. He is on his way! Someone will get him and the rest of the film makers will regret it! If they want the money man! Well! For Goodness Sake! Do! I! Have! To! Say! It! Ok! SIMON BAKER!




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