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@alisa if thats your real name and i really doubt it.anyway why all the hate for ziva.in the end there will be tiva and most fans will give a chear so take your hate with you when you close the door bye.

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I always thought Tonys mother died from either an illness or something to do with her drinking. That's one of the few facts e knew about her that she drank a lot and one time drank Tonys sea monkeys.

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Just want to respond to WTF ?? I was in no way describing a woman in law enforcement's lack of being able to take care of herself when I explained most of us look for father figures or stronger guys than ourselves . The fact is ... We see so many people/ guys at their weakest., corrupted and most despicable moments of their lives. When we meet a guy that we respect and admire, a guy that can handle himself as good or better then we can . We kinda want a guy that we can look up to ... Certainly , after all the training, studying the law and ethics we've been introduced to I want to be able to trust , relax and put my head on his shoulder when I'm home . The point was Ziva has lived a different kind of life , different kind of training . She's a Mossad assasin, a killer by trade and upbringing. Her father is a powerful man. She's was always around other killers.act an see her see relate more with Gibbs , then Tony. I would be more inclined to have a crush on Gibbs , then Tony. I admire a man that is decent , good and can take of himself . I'm pretty sure that's not indicating any signs we can't do the job.

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@Alisa.....And Vindictive Haters of the show the REST of us enjoy who have nothing better to do than come on here and post WARPED POV's wrapped in twisted LIES, trying to angelify characters who are clearly INSTIGATORS of just about every argument that ensues on the show (Tony), yet UNSUCCESSFULLY vilifying other characters who did not ASK to even be PUT in difficult situations, yet overcame them TRIUMPHANTLY (Ziva) - AND got her MAN - and stating scenarios from the series that never even HAPPEND - deserve to be INGORED...which is EXACTLY what will now happen to YOU. Go study up on the ACTUAL Canon of the show before you spew hatred out of your virtual mouth.

Goodbye. * C L I C K *

Gatorgal

My apologies for bringing in the whole Shannon/Kelly debate. It was a sidebar to a comment about how did Tony's mother die. Someone had suggested suicide, and then I pointed out what Tony said regarding his mother's death in the Season Nine opener, then made the mistake of saying that TPTB could totally change this, 'like they did with the number of wives Gibbs had." That's where all of this came from. I didn't mean for it veer off from the main topic, which is this episode.

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tony deserves someone who doesn't throw her injured partner onto the ground, pull a loaded gun ON her injured partner, and said she'd be HAPPY to put a bullet in him....ALL because he was trying to PROTECT his partner...as well as HIS TEAM....she with HELD vital information on rifkin from BOTH of her BOSSES....information that could have gotten GIBBS & TIM KILLED.....the moment about tony's mother was RUINED by it being between TIVA...rather then between TIBBS= tony & gibbs.....ziva can't be trusted....and really SHOULD not even be on the team....LET'S NOT FORGET: ZIVA MADE GIBBS CHOOSE BETWEEN SHE AND TONY....imo, he made the RIGHT choice....tony could be TRUSTED....and has been his SFA for YEARS for a REASON.

ALISA

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I also meant to say that I have watched all the cast roundtabled. The cast was asked if, after having played these characters for several years if they were still learning things about their characters and MH responded that he had just learned Gibbs had been married more than he originally thought. If memory serves, it was the roundtable that was filmed in Gibbs' living room.

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I loved this ep in all but one area. This isn't the first time this season Gibbs has given us more emotion (such as in Namesake) and I'm really liking that. Though I was concerned what was going on with his interactions with Tony and what that might be foreshadowing, but it thankfully seems to have been all worked out. I liked the emphasis on the case. Sometimes I feel the cases have become too sacrificed in favor of character spotlight. That being said, I was looking forward to the moment about Tony's mom but it was nearly ruined for me because of the unrealistic tiva element. I'd much preferred that moment been unveiled in Gibbs' basement after hours. I would like to comment on some discussion in previous posts regarding Ziva not being invited out by the boys in a previous ep. IMO after Ziva smugly & purposefully left Tony and only Tony out of the team meal in Boxed In, I can't imagine why on earth he would ever invite or include her on any of his after hours activities. I think her being left out was turnabout being fair play and that didn't go nearly far enough to suit me. Take out the obligatory Tiva and I love everything about this ep and about NCIS in general. Also, I have all the DVD's and have watched all the round tables. MH was indeed asked if he was still learning things about his character after several years of playing him, and he did respond that yes, he just found out that Gibbs had been married more times than originally thought.

Keith-vlasak

There were several features on the season 3 discs; however, the only round table (disc 4) didn't involve the cast. The creative forces did say that secrets were coming out at the end of season 3, starting with Gibbs and that season 4 would be the season of revealing secrets. I really don't care for DVD features, so didn't go to season 4, but that may be where the roundtable @gatorgal refers to is. I'm sure by everything else that gatorgal is right, though.

Keith-vlasak

part 4: Sorry @gatorgal, I didn't go back to read your comment before commenting to realize you were referring to a special feature on a DVD I'm sure I own, just I never bother watching the features. If I can find the roundtable on season 3 discs, I'll post a supporting comment ...




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