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Re the headstones having no dates: When Jane was there with his brother-in-law who had flowers for them, Jane remarked that he didn't do that because "They're not there," although later he said, "Well, are you going to give them the flowers or not?" So maybe they weren't there, meaning they weren't actually dead and Jane knew it? Oh, I give up. This show is driving me nuts with all the clues, symbolism, enigmatic statements and too many other wild goose chases to follow. But I love it for that. Beats every other TV series by every measure, hands down, no contest.

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The Jekyl-Hyde scenario is also my first theory but like you say rationalgal, there are enough clues and hints to support very many senarios.
With all the William Blake references it is not even inconceivable that this is a heaven vs. hell senario.

It's great that this show is so both so intelligent AND entertaining. Maybe there are countless red herrings to what is really going on with the whole RJ thing but it is a lot of fun trying to figure out which senario one believes in most.

I'm also not convinced that Jane's wife and daughter are actually dead. The headstones on the graves for both of them do not have any dates at all. Highly suspicious.

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Rationalgal you got me to thinking, If I came home to find my family sliced up and toe nails painted, I would have a mental break down too. I would not want to live either knowing I caused their deaths. In the episode Red Brick and Ivy in the look back part, you hear his psychiatrist say you can give up and die or you can fight this and live. Jane was so distraught by what happened he wanted to die. This seems normal to me. Wayneright was mad at Jane for making him look like a fool. If you remember, Agent Darcy said the same thing when Jane made a fool out of her. I do believe you are on to something because it seems like the people who really get in Jane's way turn up dead. Jane made a statement before bosco turned up dead. He said if you wait by the river long enough, you'll see the bodies of your enemies float by. I think that episode was Redemption and the episode His Right Red Hand Bosco was killed. Still I can't hepl but think that something else is at play here.

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MEH that would be a great episode!

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The devil is, in the details. I watched Devils Cherry again and Guess what I found! When Jane is in the kitchen and the cup drops, I believe for the second time, I noticed Janes shoes are black, not brown. After the kitchen scene they are brown again! The next episode ( not one red cent)he's wearing white shoes! Hmmmmm! Something is going on here. Could this be a clue to Jane having a evil twin? Please someone take a look! If this is really what I saw, Then they are actively leaving us clues.

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More on the Red Dawn episode. It keeps bothering me. Why run it now? The only reason I can think of is that Bruno Heller and Simon Baker have decided to pursue the Jekyl-Hyde scenario after all. Going back to "Blinking Red Light" I saw a fair amount of hints to that in how Panzer related to Jane as "kindred spirits" and criticizing Jane for living a double life. Two serial killers understanding each other at some level? Jekyl-Hyde would explain why we have had no sign of a massive FBI search for a serial killer that has infiltrated their ranks so effectively and why some significant characters simply disappear from the plot, and why Wainwright diagnosed Jane as a psychopath, with Jane then asking Lisbon if she agreed. All clues? This would mean some episodes were delusional in whole or in part as the workings of Jane's mental illness. Otherwise he have had to be in two places at once. Oh well, there are clues to support any scenario, to who knows?

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I'm wondering why this episode wasn't used as the pilot. It would have left us wondering about Jane's mental stability when others told him he was "damaged." Were they right? Was he delusional? And the Minelli character would have been far more interesting, knowing his early involvement, when Rebecca killed his agents and he then retired from the job. We would have wondered more about the nature of RJ after seeing that initial limo scene. As for Jane and Lisbon, the episode left Jane, who came in distraught and homeless, sleeping peacefully on his couch, surrounded by his RJ files, with Lisbon at hand. He had found a home, his purpose, and someone to take care of him. Sweet. Endearing. Simon Baker plays Jane as such an adorable, lovable character. You just want to take him in and give him some milk and cookies and tell him everything will be OK.

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@anitraward1: I remembered an interview where Simon Baker appeared very amused by the idea PJ = RJ. Don't remember which one or when any more. He may have developed his fondness towards this idea after knowing it. Lol.

I don't think the person in the limo is RJ. Red herring. So is Visualize. But I do think RJ might be an organization. It would be interesting if Jane could turn one brainwashing organization (Visualize) against the other (RJ). Just a thought.

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THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS!

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Let's not get lead down the primrose path! Red John has been in this series from the very begining. The writer's and Bruno Heller know exactly who he is. They have had 5 long years to develope the Red John character and judging from the way the episodes are written, it will not be a let down! This show sets the standard in the industry. That's why so many people watch it. I don't think Heller brought us this far to show us Red John in the back of a limo. That would be seriously lame and a insult to the viewers. This show gives us clues in every Red John episode. The question is what have we as the viewers missed? At the end of the series (I wish it would never end.) we are going to be banging our heads wondering how we could have missed all the clues in plain sight. I'm going to keep digging! As Jane quoted "THE DEVIL IN IN THE DETAILS!"




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