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"Honestly, I started watching tonight with the hope that Leonard would realize that the relationship was going nowhere and break up with Penny. Last episode seemed to hint that Leonard was getting tired of her indecisiveness, and i wanted to see that followed up on"

Me too. If they do break up, I really hope it will be Leonard breaking things off. Maybe this could be Penny's wake up call, and if not, it would at least give Leonard some back bone.

Fifty

Sheldon and Penny's late night part had me lol but overall the story didn't have enough context to watch it again. Same old same old story lines and I'm beginning to get tired of Howard being in space since it has only him skyping with people with recurring story lines such as bullying.
Seriously needed to have some classic TBBT episode next week IMO.

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Honestly, I started watching tonight with the hope that Leonard would realize that the relationship was going nowhere and break up with Penny. Last episode seemed to hint that Leonard was getting tired of her indecisiveness, and i wanted to see that followed up on

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I used to love penny but they are really making it hard these days. They broke up before because of the I love you and then she pursued him again so I don't get her problem. And plus what is with her being an alcoholic all of a sudden she is seriously drinking in almost every scene. And I'm almost positive they are goin to have raj be gay

Keith-vlasak

So, part 3, looking at Penny as a party girl only (or mainly), she well could be terminally bored -- except that such a person in real life might grow up ... or go off and eventually marry someone she can't stand anymore. All of which seems too sophisticated for this show. So, how do they get out of it, meaning that if they break up now, again, I don't see what any of the other characters would have in common with her anymore?

Keith-vlasak

Also, @Sue Ann, dividing my comments, I never considered Penny as a party girl character before. I always thought of her how Marilyn Monroe could not only be married to an intellectual (Arthur Miller), but be friends with many more (Carl Sandburg, for one); or Jessica Simpson hanging out at Cowboys Stadium with a bunch of super powerful Texans, including President George W. Bush, and her talking on TV after, pleased with herself, about all of them teasing her about how dumb she was, or dumb things she said or somesuch. What occurs to me is that Penny is only a wannabe, that MM and Simpson weren't/aren't party girls, or not only, but ambitious and successful.

Keith-vlasak

@Sue Ann -- This works, the way you did your comments, dividing them. You very thoughtfully expressed a thing that bothers me about this show. I read once that love creates equals. I could be overlooking some dialogue, but Leonard always seems to treat what she thinks as important. They also "relate" what happens in their lives to each other. It's Sheldon who tells everyone how stupid they are -- everyone.

Sue-ann

Part Three:

There are many possibilities. Just don't pick that one.

Note to the editors: There are not all that many of us who are inclined to write essays about these shows, and those who are so inclined do not always do it. It really was kind of mean to limit the word count on us.

Sue-ann

Part Two:

If the writers break up Penny and Leonard again, it would be a grievous mistake. Leonard knows there's something not right; he tried to get her to talk to him about the future. She refused to do it. But her inability to admit she loves him is indicative of a serious problem.

There are endless possibilities in working through her problems in a loving relationship with a man who is dazzled by her. The possibilities in showing how she has hurt Leonard yet again and herself in the process, are not funny. It wasn't very funny the first time. I like Wil Wheaton, but I was quite ticked with his (fake) character for deliberately breaking them up when that happened. This show sometimes goes over the edge into cruelty, and really, it is not funny. Hurting this couple again for lack of something better to do would signify to me that the network should not give this one any more multi-year renewals. The well would have run dry. There are many possibilities. Just don't pick that one.

Sue-ann

I watched it on the internet this morning, and have been thinking about it. I do not like the hints that Penny and Leonard will be breaking up again, because I do think they belong together. However, viewed from her standpoint, it has to be kind of tiresome to always be the dumbest person in the room. Even self-styled "Bestie" Amy was making fun of her to Bernadette in this episode.

Everyone except Bernadette condescends to her, either to her face or behind her back. I myself would not tolerate it for a second. On the other hand, as she complained a few seasons back, being with these guys has spoiled the dumb guys for her. She can't put up with them any more. Penny really is in a difficult position; her despair is quite logical. Leonard is not a party boy. Penny was a party girl, and she hasn't shown any inclination to settle down.

If the writers break up Penny and Leonard again, it would be a grievous mistake. Leonard knows there's something not right; he tried to get her to talk to him about the future. She refused to do it. But her inability to admit she loves him is indicative of a serious problem.

There are endless possibilities in working through her problems in a loving relationship with a man who is dazzled by her. The possibilities in showing how she has hurt Leonard yet again and herself in the process, are not funny. It wasn't very funny the first time. I like Wil Wheaton, but I was quite ticked with his (fake) character for deliberately breaking them up when that happened. This show sometimes goes over the edge into cruelty, and really, it is not funny. Hurting this couple again for lack of something better to do would signify to me that the network should not give this one any more multi-year renewals. The well would have run dry. There are many possibilities. Just don't pick that one.




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