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Wu: In my humble opinion it seems this guy was sort of obsessed and maybe a little out of his mind with Miss Sedgewick.
August 28th, 2012 6:38 PM
I'm on the fence about the fact that they brought Hank into the know. On the one hand, I think a lot of interesting energy in the last seasons came from Nick trying to balance his two lives--keeping the people in the know and the people in the dark from finding out about each other, even though they were all working on the same murder cases. Episodes like "Cat and Mouse" and "Three Coins in a Fuchsbau" were extra juicy because of that juggling.
That said, there was a limit to how long they could keep Hank in the dark before the guy would start to seem like an idiot for not noticing. And since they've portrayed him as competant and smart, I'm not surprised they decided to have him find out.
Whether or not that'll energize the show or take life out of it, I don't know. But the writers have been doing a good job so far, so I think I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
August 28th, 2012 6:05 PM
@Virg - You sound a little impatient. Just because Renard became "pure of heart" in order to make Juliet well doesn't mean he's "good" or "evil." My impression of him has always been that he has his own agenda. Sometimes it's in line w/Nick's interests. Other times, it's not. I don't think that will change.
As for your preference of Hank remaining ignorant about the wesen world, you're in the minority. The running commentary about Hank's role all last season had most viewers frustrated with him, calling him the "Lois Lane" of GRIMM. Fans were begging producers to either make him more useful to Nick or get rid of him altogether because he was in the thankless role of reacting to everything 95% of the time. Being neither a help nor a hindrance to the story neutered the character so much he was dispensable. Now that he knows, Hank becomes more valuable as a friend and ally to the Grimms. Nick really doesn't need another person to defend. He needs people who have his back.
August 28th, 2012 5:36 PM
I love the show runners for keeping their promise to up this show as in one year it has jumped from okay to awesome For Nick's Mom being a kick ass Grim she was just amazing and for sticking by Hank and doing right by his character, to all its characters. For choosing to tell a good story and not lower itself to fan pandering which was an option presented they wisely chose not to take.
August 28th, 2012 5:08 PM
Why do shows that find a workable storyline that is boosting numbers have to screw around with it. The unknowing partner was one of the good things about this show. Now they have messed that up. And make up your minds about if the captain is going to be a good guy or not. eeech. Will give this another shot but they keep this up will be changing chanells again.
Rank: Recurring Character
August 28th, 2012 5:01 PM
@PD - Thank you! You're too kind.
About Renard, I have a feeling any repercussions about being "pure of heart" will develop over several episodes. Seriously doubt we'll see him volunteering to clean out the puppy cages at an animal shelter. But, maybe it will involve him wanting to take a lot of showers. It would be hilarious if Juliette caught a glimpse of him with Nick, and becomes so enamored she ends up stalking the Captain. Renard is probably the best recruiting tool the Portland PD has. Why aren't there more women on that police force?
Rank: Guest Star
August 28th, 2012 4:30 PM
any one have any thoughts on what the consequences may be for Renard now that he is 'pure of heart'.
@KansasGuest - enjoy your comments
August 28th, 2012 4:27 PM
I love the show....but and yes there is a but...LOL! Is it me or they take a long time to get to the point on this show....I mean after about 30mins you can see it coming before its finish...just saying. I need more!!!
August 28th, 2012 4:00 PM
To assume that the kiss from Renard, which wakened Julliette,caused her to lose all memory of Nick is wrong. The witch who poisoned her in the first place had all the motive in the world for wanting Nick to suffer. And making Nick a stranger to Juliett would be perfect revenge. Also, Renard woke Juliette up because he wanted Nick's relationship with her to stay strong, because as he has said, he wants Nick to continue to have a reason to stay in Portland so he can keep a close eye on him. The last thing Renard wants to do is come between Nick and Juliette.
Rank: Staff Member
August 28th, 2012 3:36 PM
I keep wondering why Nick haasn't yet learned that Renard is a Wesen. Seems odd, even though Renard is half-human. I thought a Grimm could easily identify any Grimm. Maybe a half-Wesen is a Grimm's visual kryptonite?
Rank: Recurring Character
August 28th, 2012 2:34 PM
It just occurred to me that Juliette has had more Wesen spells heaped on her than any character on GRIMM - Adalind's cat scratch, Rosalee's eye drops, & Renard's princely kiss (although that last one is not exactly a downer). Poor thing.
@GP - Renard is half-human, according to the actor & Catherine Schade. She told Kelly Burkhardt the prince in Portland was literally a bastard. The audience then realizes Renard is half-royal/human, & sees his hexenbiest side before the transformation.
August 28th, 2012 2:20 PM
CORRECTION: The kiss did not cause memory loss.
FROM THE EPISODES:
What caused memory loss? The poison from Adalind delivered via cat's scratch at the end of last season. The antidote dropped into Juliette's eyes was only to stop the memory loss from being more extensive.
What woke Juliette from coma/sleep? The kiss from a prince "pure of heart." Adalind's mother who is also a witch made the white potion (with chunks) to purify the prince's heart ... and since he wasn't pure of heart or even human he went through some pain becoming pure of heart for the one moment to kiss her and wake her. He was in that hospital room for a few seconds because he is not interested in any romance with Juliette. He said that a Grimm without attachments is more dangerous and anchorless. He wants Nick to have his Juliette so that he doesn't leave Portland just yet.
August 28th, 2012 1:10 PM
I think most Wesen realize Nick's a Grimm when they see his reaction to their transformations.
Go back and look at every single Wesen reaction, they all have one thing in common. They change, Nick see's it and reacts (even if he reacts slightly) and they recoil in horror because they realize that Nick has seen them change which means he is a Grimm.
The Coytl's didn't realize Nick was a Grimm simply because they didn't wolf out in front of him and he didn't tell them he was. If they would have wolfed out Nick would've said something like "oh. . . so you finally decided to REALLY join the party" and boom, they would've known that Nick is a Grimm.
The daughter reacted because after her eyes turned, Nick saw it and reacted which then caused her to freak out and have a full on Wesen transformation causing Nick to tell her to calm down.
Rank: Recurring Character
August 28th, 2012 1:00 PM
Wanted to add that Russell Hornsby did a FABULOUS job conveying how Hank's inability to reconcile the wesen sightings with his knowledge of reality confused & tormented him to the point where he was thinking about resigning from the police force. In addition to feeling bad for Hank though, I started to admire him because he was clearly putting his partner & the public above his own needs. Well done. Now, Nick, when are you going to tell him about Adalind in case she shows up again? He may never eat another cookie again...
Rank: Recurring Character
August 28th, 2012 12:52 PM
Aside from Hank being welcomed into the Scooby Gang, I found this episode extremely disturbing. First, they had to put us all off-kilter by casting Mark Pellegrino as a loving father. Who knew? I really liked watching him in such a different role. But, ye gods! What an awful type of wesen! The entire mating initiation storyline made me so sick to my stomach, I could barely watch it. Did appreciate how Hank & Nick used their brains to outsmart the pack instead of brawn.
As for Renard, all he asked for was a way to wake up Juliette so she wouldn't die & Nick wouldn't leave town. By that criteria, whatever he drank was a success. I don't think he much cares about the memory loss. As long as she's well enough to keep Nick in Portland, Renard will be satisfied. Getting information about Nick is not the goal. Renard knows who Nick is; he knew before Nick did. Renard had a line in a previous episode that implied he's been watching Nick for years.
Rank: Recurring Character
August 28th, 2012 12:34 PM
@art - Don't think Hank is a Grimm. If you follow the timing of his wesen sightings, it goes to back to when Adalind cast a spell on him, after he was cured of his obsession. I think her Hexenbiest blood also made him able to see wesen like she could.
@Ginger - GRIMM had a panel @ Comic-Con this year where it was explained that wesen can only be seen when they are in heightened states of distress or excitement, because that is when their inner "animal" comes out. When they are in control, guarded, and consciously not trying to give anything away, they will not "present" that self. I think it's the same for Nick. The young girl was panicking & agitated, & when Nick was trying to interact w/her he became agitated, too. But, when he & Hank were confronting the pack, everyone was on guard, very tense, & attempting to get the better of each other; playing poker as it were. I think this is also the reason we rarely see Renard's Hexenbiest side. He has mastered that
August 28th, 2012 12:19 PM
Now the viewers can finally enjoy Hank's character instead of finding him sad and annoying. I loved his reaction to the news, too. He wasn't frightenend, he was exhilerated.
I was bothered by the fact that the young girl knew immediately that Nick was a Grimm but her uncle/kidnapper hadn't a clue. Is Nick able to mask his identity when he wishes? Even the timid rodent people recognized him, but this Coyotl didn't. I hope they explain this discrepany in future episodes.
August 28th, 2012 9:35 AM
I think it's clear about Hank. He's a Grimm. Nick's abilities surfaced last year, Hank's surfaced about the time he saw Big Foot and Monroe in Blutbad form near the end of last season.
Yes it's true that he saw Wesen in a super charged state (when everyone can see them) but also he's seeing them in "normal" situations as well so to me it's clear. Hank like Nick. . . is a Grimm.
Nick's response was perfect. He knows what's happening to Hank and he'll explain once things calm down. Personally I'm excited about this and went "whoa. . . Hank's a GRIMM!!!!" last night as I watched.
Also I wouldn't be surprised to find out there are more Grimm's on the police force. Think about it. Renard is a royal trying to establish a power base. He's also a police captain. What's the best way for a royal and a police captain to establish a power base? Surround yourself with cops who could be potential Grimms. We know that the ability is genetic and a royal could easily have access to
August 28th, 2012 9:26 AM
I am also glad that Hank know the truth but now I wonder how can he see them
I have an issue...how can Hank see the Wesen? I kind of thought that was a Grimm thing?
It might be that after a wessen willingly(or after completely loosing control) shows it, the human mind becomes "aware" of those shifts and can see even when they do it unwillingly.
And how can Nick sometimes be recognized and sometimes not?
this is something they will apparantly explore this season - how wessen recognize grimms and why they exactly are so fearful of them.
August 28th, 2012 8:43 AM
Kate I can answer the first question not the second though. The thing is that Nick can seem them when they lose control for a second, when they go full blown Wesen anyone can see what they really are. The second one I don;t think has been answered
August 28th, 2012 8:27 AM
I have an issue...how can Hank see the Wesen? I kind of thought that was a Grimm thing? And how can Nick sometimes be recognized and sometimes not? on that 2nd question I imagine could be answered by an episode from Monroe or Rosalee's perspective where they come upon Nick occasionally and we see him as Nick and as Grimm.
August 28th, 2012 8:00 AM
exactly , I kept waiting for Mark to be the bad guy.but no! he was a sweet father! so weird...
August 28th, 2012 7:44 AM
Now I might be remembering incorrectly, but isn't it the cat scratch that erased Nick from Juliet's mind? I didn't think it had anything to do with Renard's kiss...
Anyways fantastic episode.
Rank: Regular Character
August 28th, 2012 5:59 AM
I am also glad that Hank know the truth but now I wonder how can he see them. I also found the in-laws quite disgusting too. She is their freaking cousin and niece for crying out loud. Seeing Juliette and Nick break my and it is all Renard fault. He should have ask what the side effects will be to Juliette waking.
August 28th, 2012 3:39 AM
VERY awesome episode.
- I LOVE Hank's reaction to the truth. Now I do NOT expect that it will be all calm and nice and most likely Hank will be all maverick-y to Nick's "stable cop" now in terms of supernatural world, but its nice to see such an...unexpected and non-cliche reaction from him. Thank you,show.
- Juliette and Nick's storyline breaks my heart. Now I am pretty sure they will have to "rediscover" their love and that their first kiss will bring her memories back or something, possibly in the midst of plot involving Adalind.
- Possibly favorite scene of the episode - Renard's and Nick's cat and mouse game about Adalind's mother's death - both of them carefully picking what to say and what to reveal as known.
Brilliant episode.
August 28th, 2012 2:17 AM
The most surprising thing about this episode was that Mark Pellegrino wasn't playing a badguy! It was kinda refreshing, actually - a nice change of pace for him, to keep us viewers on our toes.
It struck me that those redneck in-laws kept adding to the charges against them. They weren't satisfied with kidnapping with intent to rape (ew!), they had to add a few counts of trespass, assault, unlawful detainment, and attempted murder, too (not to mention the health code violations at the apartment)! I guess they felt the need to pad the ol' resume. The paperwork should keep Sergeant Wu up for days!