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The Vampire Diaries Round Table: "The Departed"

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The Vampire Diaries concluded season three with one shocker after another: Klaus is still alive... in Tyler's body?!? Alaric is dead and gone... for real this time? Elena is... gulp, a vampire?!?

Oh, yes, there's a lot for our weekly Round Table panel to discuss from "The Departed."

In this edition, regular TV Fanatic staff writers Matt Richenthal, Steve Marsi, Eric Hochberger and Dan Forcella are joined by Ruthie from Vampire Diaries Online. Let's do this!

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What was your favorite scene from the finale?
Matt: Caroline crying. Only because the pain it caused me made it clear just how much more invested I am in Forwood than either Stelena or Delena. I predict a problem or two dozen between C-Diddy and Bon-Bon when the former discovers the latter replaced her boyfriend with a murderous Original.

Steve: The heart-stopping final few minutes overall. It was compelling, shocking and above all else, poignant. Apologies for OD'ing on adjectives there, but it's true. Simply amazing filming and soundtrack. Even if the producers clearly watched the end of Breaking Dawn and adapted it for TV, with the final shot of Elena waking up as the screen faded to black, it was extremely well done. I mean, I heard it was similar.

Eric: Alaric coming back to say goodbye to Jeremy.  No clue why the Ric (yes, unlike Damon I can call him that) became my favorite character, but last night was a big loss for me. Both Jeremy and I needed to say goodbye to the real Ric after the awesome but evil Alaric has been dominating our screen. RIP, buddy. You will be missed.

Dan: My favorite had to be Damon and Elena on the bridge. It was such a special moment between the two, and it was so sad to realize that he DID meet her first. He COULD have been the one that came into her life at just the right moment. Damon would have been the love that consumed her from now until the end of days.

Ruthie: Favorite scene from the flashback: Matty and Elena kissed!! I know, I'm such a sap... and he said "love ya." Sigh. Favorite scene from the present: The entire drowning scene was done beautifully. I found myself out of my seat, standing two feet away from the television, bawling my eyes out.

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Biggest shocker: Klaus taking over Tyler, Alaric dying or Elena turning?
Matt: Going by my initial reaction to it (i.e. yelping like a wounded animal), I've gotta go with Klaus. Most of us foresaw Alaric biting it and no way was Elena actually dying, so some twist had to be coming there. But when Bonnie referred to Tyler as "Klaus." Shiver.

Steve: Klaus taking over Tyler. In a word ... wow. Is Klaus' claim to have originated the Salvatores' bloodline even true? If he is ever removed from Tyler, does he die for real then? Is Klaus more or less inclined to mack on Caroline from the body of his romantic rival? Does Dan Forcella's man-crush escalate or dissipate now that Klaus is embodied by Michael Trevino instead of Joseph Morgan? So many unanswered questions.

Eric: Yet another body switch this season? Yawn. Alaric's death? See: Cult announcement. Now Elena turning? Holy crap! How long have Julie Plec and the other producers claimed they'd never follow the books and turn Elena? Now she has an eternity to play with the Salvatore heart strings and bore CW viewers everywhere. Yay.

Dan: To answer Steve, only time will tell which way my Klaus love turns now that he has taken control of Tyler. Klaus was awesome inside of Ric way back when, but that's probably because Matt Davis is also completely awesome. For the question at hand, Elena turning was the most shocking to me. It's a huge move for Plec and co. to make, which is why I really thought that Elena might actually die. I'm probably really dumb for thinking that they might kill of their leading lady, but in the moment, it seemed more plausible that turning Elena. Shocking.

Ruthie: Definitely Klaus taking over Tyler. Did NOT see that coming at all. And at first didn't understand it, until I watched the episode again. I'm still a little confused actually. Does this mean that Klaus' body is dead? And I'm assuming Tyler is still "in there" somewhere, like when he took over Alaric's body? And Esther with Rebekah? I have a feeling that the stake wasn't left in there long enough, and then just closing the casket put the fire out.

Did Elena make the right choice?
Matt: I'm sorry, but I don't care and I don't think it will matter because the new Elena will remember various things about Damon on season four and go back to wavering between the brothers. And that car scene - should I turn back to Stefan or drive on to Damon? - was SOOOO clunky and contrived. The more intriguing question: Did Elena choose to become a vampire? Did she know that blood was in her system?

Steve: You mean having Stefan save Matty? Definitely. If there's any character the show can't live without, it's the O.G. Mac (Only Grill mac and cheese server).

Eric: Tea over vodka for your final drink? Terrible choice. I know I'm going drunk.

Dan: Breaking up with Matty back in the day? Absolutely, that dude is a loser compared to the Salvatore bros.

Ruthie: I think she did, and her logic was dead on and completely honest. She fell for Stefan instantly and she hasn't fallen out of love with him. Makes sense to me.

Most extreme action: Bonnie spelling Klaus, Rebekah causing the accident or Elena's chipper morning mood?
Matt: If it were me acting that way in the morning, my wife would say it was harder to believe than the Grill giving Matty a day off. But, sure, whatever, Elena was a cheerleader back then. They're always happy, right? It's hard to go with Rebekah, either, because she has always been about self-preservation. This fit in to that theme. I say Bonnie casting that spell because it has such direct repercussions on so many she cares about it.

Steve: Rebekah standing in the middle of the street to send Elena and Matt plunging to their watery graves. She's badass and certifiably insane ... with payback coming her way after vampire Elena builds up some strength.

Eric: At 6:45 in the morning? There's not nearly enough caffeine you could give me intravenously overnight to cause me to wake up dancing.

Dan: It has to be Rebekah, mostly because she did it just by standing in the middle of the road. There was no vicious action that needed to be taken. She was like, 'I'm so bad ass that I can stand here and kill you two.'

Ruthie: Bonnie spelling Klaus was a pretty extreme action, but I still have so many questions about this! When Tyler and Caroline had their heart-wrenching moment in the cellar, was that Klaus or Tyler?

Give this season a grade.
Matt: C. On a very relative scale. This remains one of the best dramas on network television, but the first two seasons set such a high bar. I found the back half especially meandering, I fear death has lost all meaning on the show and I'm sick of the love triangle.

Steve: I'm going with a B+. It might be closer to B- or B by Vampire Diaries standards, but that's the thing ... even with somewhat uneven, haphazard installments like we've seen lately, there's still so much more right than wrong with the show.

Eric: B-. The season of the Originals hardly felt like it brought resolve to its chief baddy. Now when Alaric took over as Monsieur Bad Guy? Things were A material. Getting the town on his side and killing vampires? Now that was a scary threat... that was shortened to two episodes. While Dan's man crush was allowed to run around for a season wooing my Caroline with horse pictures only to find his way into someone's body by season end? What kind of TVD villain arc is that?

Dan: I will agree with you, Eric, that they didn't find enough things to do with the fantastic Joseph Morgan, but I still go with an A- for the season. If I'm grading on a TVD curve, it would be down in the B range, but this is still one of my favorite shows on TV, and that is A level work in my book.

Ruthie: A-. Aside from too many spoiler-y interviews, promos and episode stills, I think this was a pretty kick-ass season. I know, I love good Vampire Diaries spoilers as much as anyone, but I really think they need to tighten it up a bit next season. Several episodes lacked the punch due to the fact that too much information was revealed.

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Theory:
In the scene where damon meets Elena first, he compels her to "find all that she is looking for".
Then when she met Stefan she says she "fell for him instantly".
Stefan did such crazy stuff to her this year and she forgave him in a matter of seconds.
I think she is on some level "compelled" to love Stefan.
Of course she does but there's a level of compulsion going on because it simply makes no sense. Damon was there for her all year long and that kiss in the motel wasn't normal. They have so much chemistry and an unremarkable bond. And it was so hard for her to admit it for even say out loud that she has feelings for Damon because she "found" Stefan, and is compelled towards him.
And now she will forget. She will still love Stefan, but that bond that was with them bc of that compulsion will be gone and all the memories that were erased with Damon will be restored THUS remaking the love triangle.
There's no way they put that scene in just to show that they met first.

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Julie Plec has answered some questions in interviews. Yes that was Klaus as Tyler interacting with Caroline. Bonnie spelled him when Damon left her in the storage compartment.
Julie also said that Klaus's body did not go up in flames so Joseph will be back 99% sure. I am glad because I am English and it is really nice to hear a compatriot's voice! I think she also hinted that Bonnie will try and turn Elena back so it would seem she won't remain a vampire for the entire series.
My own opinion is that they have to be very careful about the triangle. The ratings went up because of the interest in the Originals. This is why they have only killed off one which surprised me. They are planning to do at least 6 series and already some viewers are getting very tired of the triangle. She will probably go with Damon as a vampire and revert to Stefan when she is human: then what?

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What some of you guys fear to believe is that the show is based on the love triangle. Please read the sypnosis

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How can they be of the same blood when Elena was adopted?

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With Elena's blood no use for Klaus now, would he be using Jeremy's? They are one of the same blood, except the fact Elena's the doppelganger, but would that really matter? It still won't change the blood itself.

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I wonder if it's something to do with her necklace? I remmeber Rebekah threw it to Elena in the cave, but that was the last we saw it. I wonder if it plays a part

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I really just have one question and that's really whether Esther is really dead now or, not, because apparently she was staked with the white oak, but 2 things that never happened to her body and that's it never burned and it didn't turn her body all grey(like when vampires die), instead we all saw her body was perfectly still preserved.

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Lisa - I am sure Tyler was unconcious when Bonnie did the spell or, else he would never have let her. Tyler did mention he was gonna call Bonnie, so I am guessing Bonnie had already planned the switch out, before Damon and her even went to see Klaus, maybe she somehow magically figured that Alaric would find out where Klaus body was, so she did the switch and technically, we never did see Klaus whole body burned

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much about life (idem for stefan). 2) Neither Delena (see above) nor Stelena works for me but I'd rather not go back to season 1 & 2 Stelena, when Stephan beamed at her like a grandpa would do at his beloved granddaughter. Pairings I would enjoy:
- Stefan + Caroline
- Damon + Bonnie
- Elena + Elijah
- Matt + Rebekah

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Amy Hoang, I was confused about Klaus possessing Tyler because we didn't see how he did it nor why he did. Problem is when Klaus took Alaric's body the process was very complicated and long, he couldn't even do it by himself, he was helped by that wizard. When did Bonnie and Klaus have time to do that? And what about his body? How can he be alive without a body? What is he, a spirit? If his body is intact what's the point of possessing Tyler? Whatever, I don't really care but that was strange. Elsewhere I didn't like the Elena telling Damon she chose stefan scene because it was the exact same conversation they've been having for like forever (sorry but it will always be Stefan), the same conversation Damon had with Katherin last season when she told him she was ok to let him die and save Stefan. 1) Elena's taking him for granted, it feels like she looks down on him and it's very unrealistic given he's a century old very hot vampire and she's just a highschool girl who doesn't know much about life (idem for stefan). 2) Neither Delena (see above) nor Stelena works for me but I'd rather not go back to season 1 & 2 Stelena, when Stephan beamed at her like a grandpa would do at his beloved granddaughter. Pairings I would enjoy:
- Stefan + Caroline
- Damon + Bonnie
- Elena + Elijah
- Matt + Rebekah

The Vampire Diaries Season 3 Episode 22 Quotes

You want a love that consumes you. You want passion and adventure, and even a little danger... I want you to get everything you're looking for. But for right now, I want you to forget that this happened. Can't have people knowing I'm in town yet. Goodnight, Elena.

Damon

Our life is one, big proverbial coin toss.

Damon

The Vampire Diaries Season 3 Episode 22 Music

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