Tiko Rojas Rank: New User
January 22nd, 2011 7:09 PM
It is extremely offensive as a priest in the lukumi faith to see that you have chosen to portray Santeria in a way that is not only untrue but a complete distortion of practice.
The network should apologize for its portrayal.
The writer should be fired immediately and the actors should be ashamed of themselves for perpetuating negative stigma towards Afro-Caribbean faiths.
You have sparked an outrage in our community over your offensive representation and if it had been towards Christian or Jewish based faiths, someone would be held accountable.
Enough with your poorly researched hate propaganda towards indigenous faiths.
Apologize!
Luis Bauza Rank: New User
January 22nd, 2011 11:36 AM
I remember when actors and actresses,producers, and directors themselves would study not only their lines in their scripts but study the entire character and life of that person/character they are going to be playing before performing the role ..so as not to make a fool of themselves on camera..janet jackson lived a couple of months with some girls in the "hood" so as to learn the modern street lingo and physical gestures which helped her much in her acting role as a street girl in the movie poetic justice. I respected her for that and other actors/actresses that study their roles in it's entirety and not give fake half ass performances of what they only imagine or hear tidbits about especially when it comes to a religious perspective. There are sooo many books on Santeria and Palo religions not to mention you tube videos out there for the person to have gotten at least 99 percent of it right..just when i thought Hollywood cult movies that were all so wrong, stupid and fake was truly a
Radiah Nunez
January 22nd, 2011 5:20 AM
All I have to say is that this television program should be ashamed of themselves. It's obvious that the team of writers DID NOT DO THEIR HOMEWORK in reference to the ancient tradition they were presenting to the world.
Sadder still, the American public will not be intelligent enough to research what has been presented by the show, thus they will take what the writers have presented as truth.
I guess for some, one can sleep good at night knowing that they feed their families on the bases of disseminating untruths about groups of individuals that they no nothing about just to get ratings at Nielsen every week.
Extremely off beat, and very offensive to us priests in the religion. Episodes like this one causes society to look at priests/santeros like me as monsters. Absolutely distastful...
Lyric Gray
January 22nd, 2011 2:22 AM
So, it seems rather obvious that many people have been pissed off by this episode because it is submitting to hollywood stereotypes of Afro-Caribbean religions. Not to be offensive, but let me just say, "Chill out!"
My religion has been trashed for a very long time as well, but I can deal with it. If there's inaccuracies in some movie involving it I don't become dissapointed in the movie, I still enjoy it.
Also, remember that the preist and his assistant ended up being good guys, not the un-subs. The unsub wasn't even a true believer in Palo Mayombe, he just used it as an means to get attention.
Another point: no matter what the religion, if it is involved in a show like Criminal Minds the darker side will always be high-lighted. A serial killer can't use the happy, moral, loving side of a religion as his excuse to kill! For example, in Season 4 Episode 17, Demonology, the dark aspects of Catholisism was used in a case. It's not just Palo Mayombe that is used to make a creepy,
MrOshun Gold Rank: New User
January 22nd, 2011 2:16 AM
This episode was extremely insulting to a priest in the Lucumi tradition and it was a mumbo jumbo of misinformation, stereotype and another way for "Hollyweird" to continue to misrepresent African Traditional Religions in a negative light. Please stop the nonsense and the hoopla of trying to make money off what I practice, what I believe in, and making me look like a drug dealer, a killer and/or not normal for any involvement in the Santeria, O'Lucumi traditions. Far too many inaccuracies.
You know the sad reality is even though the themes are played out to some of us..hollywood and tv has played this over and over before,strides have been made to educate the communities outside of our's..i bet you ask any young person out there (most of them tune into that show, what they know of AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY,MOST OF THEM NEVER HEARD OF OBA PICHARDO and what he and his family has sacrificed for us to have what is our god given right- they will most likely say to you WHO IS HE ? and give you the old srereotypes of AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY )so basically to these people what they see is what they believe,sadly most people today if it's on tv it's has to be true,the brain is a terrible thing to waste, man and they are wasting out there-cause noone thinks for themselves anymore,we have beome very lazy mentally as well...it was necessary to continue promoting the lies, is necessary caus there's a whole new generation to mis-educate,it is necessary for us to not take this so lightly cause
."CRIMINAL MINDS"CORAZON"(S 6 - EP 12)".. I happen to catch it after my txt started to blow up on me, from those who know of my love for AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY..THE CONTINUED ''SYSTEMATIC DEMONIZING & DE_HUMANIZING OF TRADITIONAL AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY" is still such a vital part of this society.The continued need of those who for some reasom : ) are still uncomfortable by those of us who don't fit into the " WELL U R DIFFERENT FROM THE REST THEM,U R NOT LIKE THE REST OF THEM" category,find it still necessary to RE-ENFORCE THE IMAGES & STEREOTYPES...IS SAD.......EVEN MORE SAD IS THE DESCENDANTS OF ONCE PROUD AFRICANS, are so lost, so far removed..that tomorrow will choose to BELIEVE the GARBAGE shown on the EPISODE " CORAZON" CCRIMINAL MINDS.. what a befitting name "CRIMINAL MINDS.....OUR SELF HATE RUNS THAT DEEP,SO DEEP THAT.... "WE HATE "OLOFI" BUT LOVE J.C.....WE HATE TO BE CALLED AFRICAN..BUT ARE PROUD TO BE CALLED NIGGERS,NIGGAS,BITCHS,NEGROS,COLOREDS,BLACKS,GUYANESE,TRINIS,
Jorge Rivera
January 21st, 2011 5:57 PM
Kiambote krikoria. Greetings to all of the priests out there.
I find it interesting how much attention this got from the religious community. Frankly, I didn't really feel offended nor belittled. What can we expect? Our religions are religions with secrets. And to be honest I don't think there's ever going to be a true practicioner that will reveal the secrets because we know why they're there. So I think it will always be this way.
At the end of the day , the priest ended up being a hero as a person entirely concerned with the well being of his community and even the unbelievers. In my mind that is a favorable exposition. The fact that it had inaccuracies is ok with me.
As a palero and olorisha, I don't mind how they depicted my beliefs. You want to check out a messed up depiction of us? Check out a movie called Borderland. Now that is messed up!
I remain a fan of this show. I have to agree that some of the scenes were overly gross and out of context, but again how can we expect o
Jorge Rivera
January 21st, 2011 5:50 PM
Kiambote krikoria. Greetings to all of the priests out there.
I find it interesting how much attention this got from the religious community. Frankly, I didn't really feel offended nor belittled. What can we expect? Our religions are religions with secrets. And to be honest I don't think there's ever going to be a true practicioner that will reveal the secrets because we know why they're there. So I think it will always be this way.
At the end of the day , the priest ended up being a hero as a person entirely concerned with the well being of his community and even the unbelievers. In my mind that is a favorable exposition. The fact that it had inaccuracies is ok with me.
As a palero and olorisha
Eric Colón Rank: New User
January 21st, 2011 4:59 PM
Nsala Malongo Tatas,Yaya's engueyos, Talanqueros, Manzaneros, Bakonfulas, and Cuadrilla kongos and blog readers!
I was hoping to have a restful sleep and then i got a text from my long time friend and she said look at the Criminal Minds episode on Channel 2. Its about Santeria and Palo etc etc.... Since i live in the westcoast alot of my eastcoast peoples saw it already so i recorded it as to not look on FB to see commentary i watched and turned off my phone. I have to say I am utterly disappointed again Palo Mayombe gets the raw end of the deal in this episode. With a necromantic view of us keeping brains, and fresh skulls I am not only annoyed but i can honestly say we have know one to blame but ourselves. Ngangas in photographs with kriyumbas(heads) sticking out of them, freshly killed carcasses of animals on the ngangas. People with their tits out posing in front like if they were in a freaking beauty pageant. Our Bantu beliefs are being trampled upon only to be received b
Ilarioba
January 21st, 2011 9:02 AM
As a priest of forty years and a fifth-generation devotee, I have to take some exception. Overall, I have to agree with yearinwhite: it could have been worse. Still, the depictions of Afro-Caribbean religions in the media always tend to be sensationalistic. Palo Mayombe always seems to get the short end of the stick, and for those familiar with history, this began in Cuba in the 19th century, when people of Bantu descent were accused of sacrificing and eating small white children. It is sad that Judeo-Christian arrogance has influenced society at such levels that to this day, people that are unfamiliar with these religions, continuously look down on them because of the stigma and stereotypes created by ethnocentism; and Hollywood often aggravates the situation as it continues to portray African religion in a light that is less than favorable.
It shocked me to hear Reid say that Afro-Caribbean religions are amoral. It is not what was said, but the context in which it was said. The wr
Keith Vlasak Rank: Recurring Character
January 20th, 2011 5:08 PM
I like Reid a lot, so I liked this episode -- since he was so central. I also noticed (or my opinion is) thatis that much of the dialogue could have been said by any of the other characters, like Hotchner and Morgan are individuals, but that what Seaver and Prentiss said could have been said by either of them or Hotchner or Morgan (it really seemed obvious to me when they were giving the profile, they were all so wooden).
Yes, I guess I still miss JJ (and Gideon too), but still enjoy the show for Reid!
Reid is having to deal with a lot over the last couple with Gideon leaving and just leaving him a note like his father his parents, JJ leaving the show. He also doesnt handle change well. I think he is holding a lot inside. Also just because the scans show nothing at this time, he could have a small tumor or maybe an anuresym. I hops he is just holding a lot inside and needs to relieve it. Speaking from experience, doing that can cause migraines.
michael
January 20th, 2011 12:11 PM
So is reid leaving the show
YearInWhite
January 20th, 2011 11:34 AM
As someone who practices Santeria, I found it to be pretty entertaining.
The whole "performing ritualistic killings done in the name of Santeria" concept has already been overdone to death (no pun intended) in most of the major crime shows -- Law & Order SVU, Law & Order Criminal Intent, CSI, etc.
I went into it all with pretty low expectations.
There were a handful of things (aside from the obvious, like the murders, mutilations, and random dead dog) that the show either got wrong or simply skewed a bit for dramatic effect. No biggie. I mean, it's entertainment, not a documentary.
What really caught my interest was how much the writers got right -- or at least came close with -- with some of the religious practices, terminology, names, etc. They really seemed to do their homework.
I came away from it with two main points of appreciation for the show. First, the "bad guy" was actually someone from outside of the religion. It's nice not having things always por
sarah
January 20th, 2011 11:26 AM
I detest Rachel Nichols as Ashley Seaver and she's about to become a regular! Bring back AJ Cook! Ashley is annoying and doesnt belong on the show. SHe's too commercial and blah. I understand that she's new but so were Emily and Rossi at one point. Yet they werent annoying. Ashley adds nothing new or interesting to the show long term. Aj as JJ was great.
Rank: New User
January 22nd, 2011 7:09 PM
It is extremely offensive as a priest in the lukumi faith to see that you have chosen to portray Santeria in a way that is not only untrue but a complete distortion of practice.
The network should apologize for its portrayal.
The writer should be fired immediately and the actors should be ashamed of themselves for perpetuating negative stigma towards Afro-Caribbean faiths.
You have sparked an outrage in our community over your offensive representation and if it had been towards Christian or Jewish based faiths, someone would be held accountable.
Enough with your poorly researched hate propaganda towards indigenous faiths.
Apologize!
Rank: New User
January 22nd, 2011 11:36 AM
I remember when actors and actresses,producers, and directors themselves would study not only their lines in their scripts but study the entire character and life of that person/character they are going to be playing before performing the role ..so as not to make a fool of themselves on camera..janet jackson lived a couple of months with some girls in the "hood" so as to learn the modern street lingo and physical gestures which helped her much in her acting role as a street girl in the movie poetic justice. I respected her for that and other actors/actresses that study their roles in it's entirety and not give fake half ass performances of what they only imagine or hear tidbits about especially when it comes to a religious perspective. There are sooo many books on Santeria and Palo religions not to mention you tube videos out there for the person to have gotten at least 99 percent of it right..just when i thought Hollywood cult movies that were all so wrong, stupid and fake was truly a
January 22nd, 2011 5:20 AM
All I have to say is that this television program should be ashamed of themselves. It's obvious that the team of writers DID NOT DO THEIR HOMEWORK in reference to the ancient tradition they were presenting to the world.
Sadder still, the American public will not be intelligent enough to research what has been presented by the show, thus they will take what the writers have presented as truth.
I guess for some, one can sleep good at night knowing that they feed their families on the bases of disseminating untruths about groups of individuals that they no nothing about just to get ratings at Nielsen every week.
Rank: New User
January 22nd, 2011 3:14 AM
Extremely off beat, and very offensive to us priests in the religion. Episodes like this one causes society to look at priests/santeros like me as monsters. Absolutely distastful...
January 22nd, 2011 2:22 AM
So, it seems rather obvious that many people have been pissed off by this episode because it is submitting to hollywood stereotypes of Afro-Caribbean religions. Not to be offensive, but let me just say, "Chill out!"
My religion has been trashed for a very long time as well, but I can deal with it. If there's inaccuracies in some movie involving it I don't become dissapointed in the movie, I still enjoy it.
Also, remember that the preist and his assistant ended up being good guys, not the un-subs. The unsub wasn't even a true believer in Palo Mayombe, he just used it as an means to get attention.
Another point: no matter what the religion, if it is involved in a show like Criminal Minds the darker side will always be high-lighted. A serial killer can't use the happy, moral, loving side of a religion as his excuse to kill! For example, in Season 4 Episode 17, Demonology, the dark aspects of Catholisism was used in a case. It's not just Palo Mayombe that is used to make a creepy,
Rank: New User
January 22nd, 2011 2:16 AM
This episode was extremely insulting to a priest in the Lucumi tradition and it was a mumbo jumbo of misinformation, stereotype and another way for "Hollyweird" to continue to misrepresent African Traditional Religions in a negative light. Please stop the nonsense and the hoopla of trying to make money off what I practice, what I believe in, and making me look like a drug dealer, a killer and/or not normal for any involvement in the Santeria, O'Lucumi traditions. Far too many inaccuracies.
Rank: New User
January 21st, 2011 7:04 PM
You know the sad reality is even though the themes are played out to some of us..hollywood and tv has played this over and over before,strides have been made to educate the communities outside of our's..i bet you ask any young person out there (most of them tune into that show, what they know of AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY,MOST OF THEM NEVER HEARD OF OBA PICHARDO and what he and his family has sacrificed for us to have what is our god given right- they will most likely say to you WHO IS HE ? and give you the old srereotypes of AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY )so basically to these people what they see is what they believe,sadly most people today if it's on tv it's has to be true,the brain is a terrible thing to waste, man and they are wasting out there-cause noone thinks for themselves anymore,we have beome very lazy mentally as well...it was necessary to continue promoting the lies, is necessary caus there's a whole new generation to mis-educate,it is necessary for us to not take this so lightly cause
Rank: New User
January 21st, 2011 6:02 PM
."CRIMINAL MINDS"CORAZON"(S 6 - EP 12)".. I happen to catch it after my txt started to blow up on me, from those who know of my love for AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY..THE CONTINUED ''SYSTEMATIC DEMONIZING & DE_HUMANIZING OF TRADITIONAL AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY" is still such a vital part of this society.The continued need of those who for some reasom : ) are still uncomfortable by those of us who don't fit into the " WELL U R DIFFERENT FROM THE REST THEM,U R NOT LIKE THE REST OF THEM" category,find it still necessary to RE-ENFORCE THE IMAGES & STEREOTYPES...IS SAD.......EVEN MORE SAD IS THE DESCENDANTS OF ONCE PROUD AFRICANS, are so lost, so far removed..that tomorrow will choose to BELIEVE the GARBAGE shown on the EPISODE " CORAZON" CCRIMINAL MINDS.. what a befitting name "CRIMINAL MINDS.....OUR SELF HATE RUNS THAT DEEP,SO DEEP THAT.... "WE HATE "OLOFI" BUT LOVE J.C.....WE HATE TO BE CALLED AFRICAN..BUT ARE PROUD TO BE CALLED NIGGERS,NIGGAS,BITCHS,NEGROS,COLOREDS,BLACKS,GUYANESE,TRINIS,
January 21st, 2011 5:57 PM
Kiambote krikoria. Greetings to all of the priests out there.
I find it interesting how much attention this got from the religious community. Frankly, I didn't really feel offended nor belittled. What can we expect? Our religions are religions with secrets. And to be honest I don't think there's ever going to be a true practicioner that will reveal the secrets because we know why they're there. So I think it will always be this way.
At the end of the day , the priest ended up being a hero as a person entirely concerned with the well being of his community and even the unbelievers. In my mind that is a favorable exposition. The fact that it had inaccuracies is ok with me.
As a palero and olorisha, I don't mind how they depicted my beliefs. You want to check out a messed up depiction of us? Check out a movie called Borderland. Now that is messed up!
I remain a fan of this show. I have to agree that some of the scenes were overly gross and out of context, but again how can we expect o
January 21st, 2011 5:50 PM
Kiambote krikoria. Greetings to all of the priests out there.
I find it interesting how much attention this got from the religious community. Frankly, I didn't really feel offended nor belittled. What can we expect? Our religions are religions with secrets. And to be honest I don't think there's ever going to be a true practicioner that will reveal the secrets because we know why they're there. So I think it will always be this way.
At the end of the day , the priest ended up being a hero as a person entirely concerned with the well being of his community and even the unbelievers. In my mind that is a favorable exposition. The fact that it had inaccuracies is ok with me.
As a palero and olorisha
Rank: New User
January 21st, 2011 4:59 PM
Nsala Malongo Tatas,Yaya's engueyos, Talanqueros, Manzaneros, Bakonfulas, and Cuadrilla kongos and blog readers!
I was hoping to have a restful sleep and then i got a text from my long time friend and she said look at the Criminal Minds episode on Channel 2. Its about Santeria and Palo etc etc.... Since i live in the westcoast alot of my eastcoast peoples saw it already so i recorded it as to not look on FB to see commentary i watched and turned off my phone. I have to say I am utterly disappointed again Palo Mayombe gets the raw end of the deal in this episode. With a necromantic view of us keeping brains, and fresh skulls I am not only annoyed but i can honestly say we have know one to blame but ourselves. Ngangas in photographs with kriyumbas(heads) sticking out of them, freshly killed carcasses of animals on the ngangas. People with their tits out posing in front like if they were in a freaking beauty pageant. Our Bantu beliefs are being trampled upon only to be received b
January 21st, 2011 9:02 AM
As a priest of forty years and a fifth-generation devotee, I have to take some exception. Overall, I have to agree with yearinwhite: it could have been worse. Still, the depictions of Afro-Caribbean religions in the media always tend to be sensationalistic. Palo Mayombe always seems to get the short end of the stick, and for those familiar with history, this began in Cuba in the 19th century, when people of Bantu descent were accused of sacrificing and eating small white children. It is sad that Judeo-Christian arrogance has influenced society at such levels that to this day, people that are unfamiliar with these religions, continuously look down on them because of the stigma and stereotypes created by ethnocentism; and Hollywood often aggravates the situation as it continues to portray African religion in a light that is less than favorable.
It shocked me to hear Reid say that Afro-Caribbean religions are amoral. It is not what was said, but the context in which it was said. The wr
Rank: Recurring Character
January 20th, 2011 5:08 PM
I like Reid a lot, so I liked this episode -- since he was so central. I also noticed (or my opinion is) thatis that much of the dialogue could have been said by any of the other characters, like Hotchner and Morgan are individuals, but that what Seaver and Prentiss said could have been said by either of them or Hotchner or Morgan (it really seemed obvious to me when they were giving the profile, they were all so wooden).
Yes, I guess I still miss JJ (and Gideon too), but still enjoy the show for Reid!
Rank: New User
January 20th, 2011 3:05 PM
Reid is having to deal with a lot over the last couple with Gideon leaving and just leaving him a note like his father his parents, JJ leaving the show. He also doesnt handle change well. I think he is holding a lot inside. Also just because the scans show nothing at this time, he could have a small tumor or maybe an anuresym. I hops he is just holding a lot inside and needs to relieve it. Speaking from experience, doing that can cause migraines.
January 20th, 2011 12:11 PM
So is reid leaving the show
January 20th, 2011 11:34 AM
As someone who practices Santeria, I found it to be pretty entertaining.
The whole "performing ritualistic killings done in the name of Santeria" concept has already been overdone to death (no pun intended) in most of the major crime shows -- Law & Order SVU, Law & Order Criminal Intent, CSI, etc.
I went into it all with pretty low expectations.
There were a handful of things (aside from the obvious, like the murders, mutilations, and random dead dog) that the show either got wrong or simply skewed a bit for dramatic effect. No biggie. I mean, it's entertainment, not a documentary.
What really caught my interest was how much the writers got right -- or at least came close with -- with some of the religious practices, terminology, names, etc. They really seemed to do their homework.
I came away from it with two main points of appreciation for the show. First, the "bad guy" was actually someone from outside of the religion. It's nice not having things always por
January 20th, 2011 11:26 AM
I detest Rachel Nichols as Ashley Seaver and she's about to become a regular! Bring back AJ Cook! Ashley is annoying and doesnt belong on the show. SHe's too commercial and blah. I understand that she's new but so were Emily and Rossi at one point. Yet they werent annoying. Ashley adds nothing new or interesting to the show long term. Aj as JJ was great.
Rank: Extra
January 20th, 2011 8:32 AM
I loved this episode. It was very intense. I am happy you couldn't figure out who the killer was until they told you.